Bad Time for buying a new body.

Nick3434 wrote in post #14598272
Believe me, I am captain getting things used and on the cheap, but to answer this thread, I think that in the summer of 2012, value may be in waiting to see if canon releases a Nikon killer for $1300 or so. Last year at this time I would have bought a used 7d no questions asked.

Sure, but a killer of a Nikon what? Nikon's premier crop bodies remain the D7000 and the D300S, and the 7D competes strongly against those two cameras.

Canon has generally been following Nikon's lead when it comes to crop bodies. They didn't introduce the 7D until well after the D300 had been introduced. Up until that point, Canon had been attempting to compete with the XXD line, but that apparently wasn't working very well.

It's possible Canon may take the lead, but that would be contrary to their actions of late. The 5D3 basically follows in the footsteps of the groundbreaking D700, for instance. About the only possible exception with respect to their tendency to follow NIkon may be the 1DX, but that remains to be seen because the real capabilities of the camera remain largely unknown at this point (and even that could be argued as Canon following Nikon, since Nikon was the first to introduce sports-oriented top-of-the-line full-frame models).

What isn't an unknown is that Canon has been significantly raising their prices on nearly everything they've introduced of late, with the sole exception of their kit lenses. The 7D was introduced at a price of $1700. It's virtually guaranteed that the price of whatever camera succeeds the 7D will be higher than that. Anything that comes in at a significantly lower price than that is guaranteed to be the 7D's inferior in terms of the body's capabilities (the sensor may be a different story, and the T4i should shed some light on that).


You have to do what you're most comfortable with, of course, but there will always be something better around the corner. The real question is whether or not the 7D will meet your current and foreseeable needs. If it will, then you only succeed in depriving yourself of time with the camera by holding back at this point, because the refurbished price of the 7D right now puts it nearly in high-end Rebel territory (The T4i is nearly $900, while the refurbished 7D is $1100). Yes, you can certainly get by with what you have. But if that's really the case, then do you really have a compelling reason to upgrade at all?

If you really think Canon's likely to release something in the next few months that will knock your socks off, then by all means, you should wait. But I think such thoughts are probably a bit on the unrealistic side, given the competitive situation.

How come canon are increasing the price of their new stuff? a rebel now costs near same as a 60d now and the 24-70mk2 is over double the price of the mk1 version.

Then u have the 5dmk3 at £3k!!!!! thats going into 1d territory

jonneymendoza wrote in post #14599617
How come canon are increasing the price of their new stuff? a rebel now costs near same as a 60d now and the 24-70mk2 is over double the price of the mk1 version.

Then u have the 5dmk3 at £3k!!!!! thats going into 1d territory

Because people will pay it.

Eric T wrote in post #14600381
Because people will pay it.

What is the sales figures so far? that question depends on how many unites they have sold. if it sold poorly then no, not many people buy it and i bet it is because of the price.

jonneymendoza wrote in post #14600410
What is the sales figures so far? that question depends on how many unites they have sold. if it sold poorly then no, not many people buy it and i bet it is because of the price.

They release these in limited quantities, sell out and are back ordered for the first few months of the release. Check B&H, Amazon, etc for the 5D Mark iii. Once the supply overpowers the demand (at the higher price) they reduce the price. Usually 6+months after the release.

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Bad example if you check right now both those sites have stock lol. They were both back ordered as of last week Take that back, Amazon has body only in stock, B&H does not.

Eric T wrote in post #14600461
They release these in limited quantities, sell out and are back ordered for the first few months of the release. Check B&H, Amazon, etc for the 5D Mark iii. Once the supply overpowers the demand (at the higher price) they reduce the price. Usually 6+months after the release.

*Edit*
Bad example if you check right now both those sites have stock lol. They were both back ordered as of last week Take that back, Amazon has body only in stock, B&H does not.

haha lol

jonneymendoza wrote in post #14600410
What is the sales figures so far? that question depends on how many unites they have sold. if it sold poorly then no, not many people buy it and i bet it is because of the price.

Believe it. It's a hot ticket, no matter what the price. It has all of the advantages of the 7D and the 5DII combined, with a few extra goodies tossed in too. If I had a few thousand to play with, I'd have one. I certainly don't need one (heck, I haven't even used all of the features on my 60D ), but that doesn't mean that it wouldn't be fun to have.

Eric T wrote in post #14600381
Because people will pay it.

Exactly. And if people stop paying it, they can always offer rebates that make you think you're getting a killer deal to buy NOW. It's a lot easier to drop your price later than it is to increase it. Sales 101.

kfreels wrote in post #14602737
Exactly. And if people stop paying it, they can always offer rebates that make you think you're getting a killer deal to buy NOW. It's a lot easier to drop your price later than it is to increase it. Sales 101.

Right on, sales/marketing 101. I love when someone gets something from a store for like 70% off, it's like 70% off the 300% markup and you were not planning on buying it if you didn't see it marked 70% off. Way to go!

That is also kinda my rational for wanting to wait for the soon to come releases. Sometimes as a consumer, being deliberate and not wasteful is best. Jerry Jones has a great quote, he "never made money on a bargain investment, but has made tons of money paying full price for quality investments" or something loosely close to that. Most Americans fail to realize the difference between value and price.

Of course pertaining to this thread, I am doing lots of speculating with high expectations.

And to answer an earlier comment somewhere, my previous nikon comments were regarding iso performance, but really not sure it will be as good as my buddies d7000, but hopefully a little better than the current 7d/60d. not that they are bad in any way, just that I know this camera will see a shutter failure from actuations before I get rid of it. I plan on running this next body into the ground.

Preeb wrote in post #14600929
Believe it. It's a hot ticket, no matter what the price. It has all of the advantages of the 7D and the 5DII combined, with a few extra goodies tossed in too. If I had a few thousand to play with, I'd have one. I certainly don't need one (heck, I haven't even used all of the features on my 60D ), but that doesn't mean that it wouldn't be fun to have.

but its cheaper to buy a 7d and a 5d2 lol and get extra reach as well and two bodies one with a tele lens and one with a wide angle lens

jonneymendoza wrote in post #14604680
but its cheaper to buy a 7d and a 5d2 lol and get extra reach as well and two bodies one with a tele lens and one with a wide angle lens

But then you just have to carry around more gear, more weight, more hassle. For some that isn't a problem, for me it would be. One body and 2 lenses is a lot easier to deal with than 2 bodies with 2 lenses and each with different controls. Instead of being fun, photography would become a pain in the ass. I never have been able to figure out how anyone can deal with a two body setup.

I'm happy with what I have now - don't need anything else, but.......

To each his own.

Preeb wrote in post #14605178
But then you just have to carry around more gear, more weight, more hassle. For some that isn't a problem, for me it would be. One body and 2 lenses is a lot easier to deal with than 2 bodies with 2 lenses and each with different controls. Instead of being fun, photography would become a pain in the ass. I never have been able to figure out how anyone can deal with a two body setup.

I'm happy with what I have now - don't need anything else, but.......

To each his own.

i agree. i wouldnt lug around two pro bodies all day on a hike or on holiday.

life is soooooo much simpler on the Nikon side

Nikon have a body for everyone needs and at a far cheaper price point then the canon alternative

Toss in the fact that Nikon use sony's awsome crop sensor on some of there tech leaves even the 7d to dust.

Canon have soo much crap they need to sort out. they need to re-juggle there while entire camera body lineup by offering reasonable priced bodies for different needs and levels and offer sensors that can at leats match sony's one.

i am going to place a bet to u all.

i bet u that the 7d2 will be priced same as a d800.

I would never buy another rebel series camera simply due to the fact that they feel terrible in my hands

Nick3434 wrote in post #14603352
Right on, sales/marketing 101. I love when someone gets something from a store for like 70% off, it's like 70% off the 300% markup and you were not planning on buying it if you didn't see it marked 70% off. Way to go!

That is also kinda my rational for wanting to wait for the soon to come releases. Sometimes as a consumer, being deliberate and not wasteful is best. Jerry Jones has a great quote, he "never made money on a bargain investment, but has made tons of money paying full price for quality investments" or something loosely close to that. Most Americans fail to realize the difference between value and price.

Yeah. I don't think this is specific to Americans although I suspect that as a population we're worse about it than most. This probably has to do with the lack of regulation in the advertising markets. Anywhere you go you can see a furniture business perpetually running a "going out of business sale" and they do so because it works. Many people don't even notice it and a new sucker is born every minute. Walmart regularly inches prices up, the puts a rollback price on showing savings. Food manufacturers gradually reduce quantity in the same package then release a bigger "family size" box later with a higher price. Manufacturers reduce metal parts and reduce quality and then release newer supposed higher quality stuff at higher prices. The rate of this dance movement is staggering and it's no wonder than most people can't keep up. Heck, it says "Caveat Emptor" right on the face of our dollar bill. Translation: "Buyer Beware!"