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How to calculate stops?

 
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Jun 16, 2012 00:54 |  #1
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How do you calculate stops?
say I want to know how many stops from f/1.8 to f11
I thought that a stop was double or half. But it doesnt seem to be when talking f-stops
Excuse my ignorance on the subject. I just never got it.


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Jun 16, 2012 01:10 |  #2

For aperture is 1.4x, or more precisely the square root of 2.

So f/2 -> f/2.8 is one stop, and f/2.8 -> f/4 is one more stop.

So doubling the f-number for aperture is 2 stops.

This is because its the area of the circle which counts, since this is proportional to the diameter squared, we have to increase this ratio by the square root of two to double the area.




  
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Jun 16, 2012 01:23 |  #3

Or just count the clicks from whatever aperture your in..?


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Jun 16, 2012 02:06 |  #4

RSMarco wrote in post #14586515 (external link)
Or just count the clicks from whatever aperture your in..?

Provided you know that by default the camera clicks off 1/3 stops, changeable in the menu to 1/2 stops.

For shutter speed the number displayed is the denominator of the fraction of a second the shutter is open, so doubling the number halves the time which equals one stop.


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Jun 16, 2012 02:26 as a reply to  @ tzalman's post |  #5

1.8 to 2=1/3 stop
2 to 2.8=1 stop
2.8 to 4=1 stop
4 to 5.6=1 stop
5.6 to 8=1 stop
8 to 11=1 stop

Therefore 5 and 1/3 stops from f1.8 to f11

As stated above whole f-numbers are powers of the square root of 2.

nth whole f stop=1.414^n

1.414^1=1.4, 1.414^2=2, 1.414^3=2.8...

Try it with a calculator, you'll see all the familiar f-numbers(rounded to 1 decimal for single digit f-numbers, otherwise rounded to whole numbers).


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Jun 16, 2012 06:09 |  #6

multiplying by 1.4 (or the square root of 2) will get you to the next whole stop.
the cube root of that (or the 6th root of 2) will get you to the next 1/3 stop.

just wanted to add that in since I finally figured out how to calculate 1/3 of a stop w/ aperture (the multiplication w/ square roots really confused me...plus I was trying to calculate 1/3 stops like you would for ISO or shutter speed for a while :o).




  
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Jun 16, 2012 06:35 |  #7
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Damnn, this feels like highschool all over again :oops:


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Jun 16, 2012 07:02 |  #8

OP is correct that a stop is a doubling or halving of the light. This is related to the area of the aperture. The only difficulty is that we report aperture as the ratio of the diameter to the focal length, and so the f/stop is a diameter term. Area is related to the square of the diameter.

In the field, the easiest way to think of whole stops is to start with two values, f/1.0 and f/1.4. Now look at two doubling sequences:

f/1.0 - f/2.0 - f/4.0 - f/8.0 - f/16.....
f/1.4 - f/2.8 - f/5.6 - f/11 - f/22.....

These two sequences of doubling give all of the whole stops in one stop increments. Just read top line, bottom line, top line, bottom line as in f/1.0 - f/1.4 - f/2.0 - f/2.8 - f/4.0 - f/5.6 etc.


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JeffreyG wrote in post #14587018 (external link)
OP is correct that a stop is a doubling or halving of the light. This is related to the area of the aperture. The only difficulty is that we report aperture as the ratio of the diameter to the focal length, and so the f/stop is a diameter term. Area is related to the square of the diameter.

In the field, the easiest way to think of whole stops is to start with two values, f/1.0 and f/1.4. Now look at two doubling sequences:

f/1.0 - f/2.0 - f/4.0 - f/8.0 - f/16.....
f/1.4 - f/2.8 - f/5.6 - f/11 - f/22.....

These two sequences of doubling give all of the whole stops in one stop increments. Just read top line, bottom line, top line, bottom line as in f/1.0 - f/1.4 - f/2.0 - f/2.8 - f/4.0 - f/5.6 etc.

I knew there had to be an easier way. Thanks!
No calculator needed.


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Jun 16, 2012 08:43 |  #10

There used to be a wristband going around with the f stops printed on it showing all in 1/3 stops from 1 to 32 but I just had a look on ebay and can't find it any more. Like the OP I'm getting terrible at remembering them. There used to be another band with all the shutter speeds in 1/3 stops as well, but I can't even find one of those either. Would be an easy way to remember though, if you could find one.


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Jun 16, 2012 09:18 |  #11

Agree with comment above, much easier to remember instead of calculating.
This is why I like old full manual lenses, don't have to remember or calculate :)


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Jun 16, 2012 10:38 |  #12

Likewise for ISO stops. 100>200>400>800>1600>3200>6400>12800... are one stop increments.


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