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Jun 17, 2012 15:37 |  #1

I am shooting a stage show again this next week for my local theatre group (my daughter is in it). Last time I used the 50mm f1.8 and legged it up and down the audience seats for close or wide shots. Mostly I used f2.2 or slightly smaller aperture, with auto-ISO and Shutter Priority at 1/60th. It worked well, except I was knackered.

In fact this was 1/80th, ISO 400, f2:

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This time, I have arranged to be at all 4 shows (the previous have only been one night so I took photos on dress rehearsal so i could watch the show uniterrupted). I have borrowed a 24-70 f2.8 L USM lens. Nice lens, weighs a ton! the idea being that I can stay in one place and take shots. Even from just in front of the stage I can nearly get all the stage at 24mm. And i can get a 3 person group from the back of the theatre (in the balcony) at 70mm, or all the stage from up there at about 45mm.

Problem is, I tried today (admittedly no proper lights) and set the camera to ISO 1000, f2.8, Shutter priority 1/50th. But the images are terrible. So, should I increase ISO and use a slightly smaller aperture to improve quality, or should I leave as is?

Here's a crop of one of the players (same guy as above actually):

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Do you think once the proper lights are up that the noise will be less apparent? I may be able to reduce ISO, or decrease aperture?
And would you decrease aperture and increase ISO, or decrease ISO and maintain f2.8? Noisewise?

Lots of questions. Any thoughts would be appreciated. I have a full dress rehearsal on Tuesday night, so not too much prssure yet. if I don't nail it then, that's when I'll panic. :)



  
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Jun 18, 2012 08:13 |  #2

When dealing with high iso image noise, you want to slightly over expose. If you underexpose and then bring it up in post, you introduce a whole lot of noise.

I think your other problem is the slowness of your shutter speed. I would try to get it up to 1/500 if you could.


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Jun 18, 2012 13:40 |  #3

xchangx wrote in post #14594737 (external link)
When dealing with high iso image noise, you want to slightly over expose. If you underexpose and then bring it up in post, you introduce a whole lot of noise.

I think your other problem is the slowness of your shutter speed. I would try to get it up to 1/500 if you could.

Not sure that will happen in the lights, even when they get the proper ones going...

I do try to ETTR a little but in these conditions it wasn't possible.

Will see what happens under the proper lights tomorrow...I may well notice that things are a lot better. :)




  
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Jun 19, 2012 08:52 |  #4

What camera body are you using? No way to establish your limitations without knowing the body. Maybe you mentioned it and I missed it.

I think 1/200 shoudl be your goal for SS.

ISO 1600, wide open at 1/200 will work with most stage productions of that size.


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Jun 19, 2012 11:15 |  #5

CosmoKid wrote in post #14600263 (external link)
What camera body are you using? No way to establish your limitations without knowing the body. Maybe you mentioned it and I missed it.

I think 1/200 shoudl be your goal for SS.

ISO 1600, wide open at 1/200 will work with most stage productions of that size.

Canon 40D. Thought I'd mentioned it but I didn't. :)

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Jun 28, 2012 08:57 |  #6

Well, here we go...a couple or six shots from the shows. In the end I went with shutter priority most of the time, got the ISo up to 1000, shutter at 1/100. The aperture mostly was from f2.8 up to about 3.5...rarely more. I also made use of the programmable slots on the selecting dial C1, C2, and C3. Had ISO 1250, and ISO 1600 on the others for the really dark scenes to try to get more light and hence less noise. To be honest, never really thought that using high ISO could be as noise free as long as lots of light coming in. But it worked quite well.

Thanks to all who helped. :)

Noise was a lot less of an issue, and I also took advice on some noise removal using ACR (decent settings to use, basically), so I processed the whole batch with that first, then did individual photos afterwards from that starting point. In most cases I just had to crop and sharpen. In some I did B&W conversions using Silver Efex Pro as I think it suits the scenes. In all, it worked very well...the customers are all very pleased (I showed them some on the iPad) and they will all be ordering CD/DVD of the images once I have them all done. :)

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Jun 29, 2012 13:16 |  #7

Good job! :)


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Good job! :)

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