Canon 60D Users, Unite! (4!)

djr01974 wrote in post #18330331
I love my 60D, I still have it and its a workhorse of a body. Mine has over 25k on the shutter. The Wife bought me the 80D for xmas body only and I do have to say the 80D to me is a world of difference. Image quality and I like that you can adjust exposure comp in full Manuel . I've tried it on the 60D and it will not let you do it in full Manuel. My 60D got a lot of great pictures. Just need good glass as everyone states.

No sure I follow - you CANT adjust exposure comp on the 60D in manual mode? Could I get you to give me more details? What specifically are you not able to adjust in full manual mode? Thank you.

If your in the (m) mode the 60d will not allow you adjust the EC. You can in av or say TV mode. In manual mode it does it for you. On the 80d you have full control of EC in anymode. At least on my camera bodies

@JustEd don't worry about it. We are all subscribed to this thread because we love the little body that can.

I have said many times that the 60D/EF 18-200/Sigma 8-16 combo is my travel (light) kit.

I will take exception to the high(er) ISO capabilities. I don't think twice about shooting up to ISO3200. Yes, there is noise, but it can be treated for a satisfactory result. Yes, the newer sensors can shoot higher ISO that cleans easier. But the question is, can you do it with the 60D satisfactorily. The answer is a resounding yes.

I have posted many times this 100% crop (left is before NR and right is after NR):

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MakisM1 wrote in post #18330687
@JustEd don't worry about it. We are all subscribed to this thread because we love the little body that can.

I have said many times that the 60D/EF 18-200/Sigma 8-16 combo is my travel (light) kit.

I will take exception to the high(er) ISO capabilities. I don't think twice about shooting up to ISO3200. Yes, there is noise, but it can be treated for a satisfactory result. Yes, the newer sensors can shoot higher ISO that cleans easier. But the question is, can you do it with the 60D satisfactorily. The answer is a resounding yes.

I have posted many times this 100% crop (left is before NR and right is after NR):

IMAGE LINK: http://s37.photobucket​.com …3001_zps645c49d​a.jpg.html

This is ISO12800 people!

The one below is ISO 6400

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And a full picture at ISO6400

IMAGE LINK: http://s37.photobucket​.com …33DT_zps863404c​4.jpg.html

I don't claim that there is NO NOISE! I consider that the level of noise (and the corresponding amount of detail) are satisfactory.

Consider the noise in this photo:

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And the amount of detail in a 100% crop (ISO 5000):

http://s37.photobucket​.com …crop_zpskuqvsmk​o.jpg.html

I can get the same level of detail/noise with my 5DIII with less heroics in PP. But I can't claim better results, until we get to ISO12800 in poor lighting conditions. From there to ISO 25600 the 5DIII is the king in my lot...

Which de noise workflow did you use for the above?


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Sorry Pagman, I use Darktable (Linux OS). It is not easy to translate the workflow to LR. Also, each photo has its own workflow (reflecting my favorite moves at the time, in line with Darktable's capabilities at the time).

In general terms:

If pressed, I use a Linear Rec input profile. rather than a sRGB or Adobe RGB. This desaturates the photo (I have to come back and color correct), but reduces the noise significantly.

I also use parametric masking (i.e. if there is noise in the blue sky, as it often is in the 60D, I do noise reduction only on the blues, if there is noise in the shadows, I do NR for the shadows only etc).

Other steps include a judicious use of wavelet denoise versus more traditional non-local means NR. Wavelet denoise is extremely powerful, but it can destroy detail, so I keep it low and then finish with non-local, bilateral filters etc. You can kill any kind of noise, keeping the detail is the problem.

MakisM1 wrote in post #18330721
Sorry Pagman, I use Darktable (Linux OS). It is not easy to translate the workflow to LR. Also, each photo has its own workflow (reflecting my favorite moves at the time, in line with Darktable's capabilities at the time).

In general terms:

If pressed, I use a Linear Rec input profile. rather than a sRGB or Adobe RGB. This desaturates the photo (I have to come back and color correct), but reduces the noise significantly.

I also use parametric masking (i.e. if there is noise in the blue sky, as it often is in the 60D, I do noise reduction only on the blues, if there is noise in the shadows, I do NR for the shadows only etc).

Other steps include a judicious use of wavelet denoise versus more traditional non-local means NR. Wavelet denoise is extremely powerful, but it can destroy detail, so I keep it low and then finish with non-local, bilateral filters etc. You can kill any kind of noise, keeping the detail is the problem.

Im currently using Topaz De noise 6 as a plug in with my LR5 it is very good also.


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djr01974 wrote in post #18330603
If your in the (m) mode the 60d will not allow you adjust the EC. You can in av or say TV mode. In manual mode it does it for you. On the 80d you have full control of EC in anymode. At least on my camera bodies

EC ? ?

Sorry. Exposer compensation

Although i dont shoot in manual mode, i found this on ePHOTOZINE

Exposure compensation when in manual on Canon 60D?

When you are in manual mode there is no need for the exposure compensation function as you have full control over the exposure.
If you have the iso set to 100 and the aperture set to f16 you change your exposure by adjusting the shutter speed. For example, if the shutter is set to 1/250 and you want to double the exposure you would change it to 1/125, leaving the other controls alone.

Thank you

I'm not sure how the ec works in manual mode on the newer cameras. For example if you set shutter to 1/100th, aperture to f/8 and ISO to 800, and the ec +2/3rd what is it changing?

Are we maybe getting into a little bit of confusion between "exposure compensation" and "exposure bracketing"?
In manual mode there's not much need for EC, but you might still want to use the bracketing function.

There is some confusion in the 'wants'!...

In Av mode, everybody easily understands that you fix the aperture (I assume based on DOF considerations) and in Tv mode you fix the shutter speed (based on subject or shooter movement considerations). This has carried over from the film days. Then, you couldn't change the ISO, it was set by the film manufacturer.

However, it is clearly understood that occasionally you need to overexpose/underexpose the photo (snow scenes, beach, sunset etc etc).

For the automatic modes, Canon has provided the EC function.

However, until recently, in M mode the photographer sets the aperture and the shutter speed (and the ISO). There is no automation needed in M, the same way you set aperture, speed (or ISO) you can set them the desired number of stops higher or lower.

However, Canon made another concession. They gave you an extra automatic mode where you set aperture (based in DOF considerations, or maybe lens performance) shutter speed (based again on movement requirements) but allowing the ISO to float in an auto ISO mode. This created such hue and cry because now you have an automatic mode that you cannot apply exposure compensation!

Oh the shame!

(Well, actually you can, in a way... you can use exposure bracketing, with the bracketing being the EC you want. You shoot 3 pictures, one useless, one properly exposed to 12% gray and one exposed the way you want...). A bit of a waste, but oh well...

MakisM1 wrote in post #18330687
@JustEd don't worry about it. We are all subscribed to this thread because we love the little body that can.

I have said many times that the 60D/EF 18-200/Sigma 8-16 combo is my travel (light) kit.

I will take exception to the high(er) ISO capabilities. I don't think twice about shooting up to ISO3200. Yes, there is noise, but it can be treated for a satisfactory result. Yes, the newer sensors can shoot higher ISO that cleans easier. But the question is, can you do it with the 60D satisfactorily. The answer is a resounding yes.

I have posted many times this 100% crop (left is before NR and right is after NR):

IMAGE LINK: http://s37.photobucket​.com …3001_zps645c49d​a.jpg.html

This is ISO12800 people!

The one below is ISO 6400

IMAGE LINK: http://s37.photobucket​.com …shot_zps11d0816​8.jpg.html

And a full picture at ISO6400

IMAGE LINK: http://s37.photobucket​.com …33DT_zps863404c​4.jpg.html

I don't claim that there is NO NOISE! I consider that the level of noise (and the corresponding amount of detail) are satisfactory.

Consider the noise in this photo:

IMAGE LINK: http://s37.photobucket​.com …10DT_zpsgflfmcl​v.jpg.html

And the amount of detail in a 100% crop (ISO 5000):

http://s37.photobucket​.com …crop_zpskuqvsmk​o.jpg.html

I can get the same level of detail/noise with my 5DIII with less heroics in PP. But I can't claim better results, until we get to ISO12800 in poor lighting conditions. From there to ISO 25600 the 5DIII is the king in my lot...

Excellent examples! Really appreciate you posting this and the work that went in to it!

shane_c wrote in post #18330304
I've been wanting to trade up for quite a while now but haven't pulled the trigger yet. I shoot a mix of everything, except people, and the 60D does almost everything I ask of it.

One of my biggest complaints with the 60D is the poor AI Servo when shooting BIF. But with a lot of practice on my technique I've been able to get a good number of keepers.

My other issue is that the images get pretty noisy over ISO 800. So if at all possible I try to keep it lower than that.

A few months ago I bought LR6 and started shooting RAW and it has really breathed new life into the 60D.

Right now I can't justify spending money on a new body because I'm still very happy with the results I'm getting from my 60D.

Saw this the other day, meant to say something but got distracted as in OH LOOK A SQUIRREL! But I agree, AI servo is dreadful. Atleast has been for me since day one. No matter how hard I try just cant seem to get any keepers.