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Mar 27, 2013 11:00 as a reply to  @ post 15761296 |  #3601

I am trying to find a Canon 1D IV as a back-up. Does anyone of you wanting to get rid of one now that you have the new 1Dx?? You can contact me via e-mail, thank you!!




  
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Mar 27, 2013 13:59 |  #3602

So I know this has been discussed elsewhere, but after a quick search, I didn't find it. I've had my 1DX for a while (had it preordered and shipped when they first started shipping). So I've used it for all kinds of shooting. This past weekend, I shot an event, and the thing gave me fits, and I'm trying to figure out what was going on. This was an indoor event in a reception hall with poor lighting. I had the 580EX II (and sometimes the 580EX) on camera. My second shooter was using a 5D2 with 430EX II flash. In a nutshell, almost everything I shot was underexposed..and not just a little. Sometimes more than 2 full stops underexposed. We were both shooting at f5.6, 1/125, and ISO 800 and comparing results with direct flash and bounced flash. Not only were my shots underexposed, but it wasn't consistent about it. I tried it with the 24-70 f2.8 II first and then with the 85L. Second shooter was mostly using the 50L. We were both using ETTL, and when we both metered the scene in the cameras, we were seeing pretty similar results. But for me, it almost seemed like ETTL was just not working, or inaccurate information was being exchanged, resulting in the incorrect exposures. Has anyone seen this or the thread that talked about it? Thanks. This was a paid gig, and I've been able to recover a lot of the photos and am glad I had the second shooter there. I did have a second body with me (1d4) and probably should have tried it but didn't. I just want to better understand this moving forward.


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Mar 27, 2013 14:07 |  #3603

sdipirro wrote in post #15762158 (external link)
So I know this has been discussed elsewhere, but after a quick search, I didn't find it. I've had my 1DX for a while (had it preordered and shipped when they first started shipping). So I've used it for all kinds of shooting. This past weekend, I shot an event, and the thing gave me fits, and I'm trying to figure out what was going on. This was an indoor event in a reception hall with poor lighting. I had the 580EX II (and sometimes the 580EX) on camera. My second shooter was using a 5D2 with 430EX II flash. In a nutshell, almost everything I shot was underexposed..and not just a little. Sometimes more than 2 full stops underexposed. We were both shooting at f5.6, 1/125, and ISO 800 and comparing results with direct flash and bounced flash. Not only were my shots underexposed, but it wasn't consistent about it. I tried it with the 24-70 f2.8 II first and then with the 85L. Second shooter was mostly using the 50L. We were both using ETTL, and when we both metered the scene in the cameras, we were seeing pretty similar results. But for me, it almost seemed like ETTL was just not working, or inaccurate information was being exchanged, resulting in the incorrect exposures. Has anyone seen this or the thread that talked about it? Thanks. This was a paid gig, and I've been able to recover a lot of the photos and am glad I had the second shooter there. I did have a second body with me (1d4) and probably should have tried it but didn't. I just want to better understand this moving forward.

I feel like there could be so many possible factors contributing to this, but could it be how you have your flash metering set? Or what you were metering for (the flash, that is)?


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Mar 27, 2013 14:29 |  #3604

I use the 600EX and a st-e3-rt with my 1DX and have not seen any problems so far. I wonder if your problem is related to the 1DX and 580EX combo.


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Mar 27, 2013 17:29 |  #3605

sdipirro wrote in post #15762158 (external link)
So I know this has been discussed elsewhere, but after a quick search, I didn't find it. I've had my 1DX for a while (had it preordered and shipped when they first started shipping). So I've used it for all kinds of shooting. This past weekend, I shot an event, and the thing gave me fits, and I'm trying to figure out what was going on. This was an indoor event in a reception hall with poor lighting. I had the 580EX II (and sometimes the 580EX) on camera. My second shooter was using a 5D2 with 430EX II flash. In a nutshell, almost everything I shot was underexposed..and not just a little. Sometimes more than 2 full stops underexposed. We were both shooting at f5.6, 1/125, and ISO 800 and comparing results with direct flash and bounced flash. Not only were my shots underexposed, but it wasn't consistent about it. I tried it with the 24-70 f2.8 II first and then with the 85L. Second shooter was mostly using the 50L. We were both using ETTL, and when we both metered the scene in the cameras, we were seeing pretty similar results. But for me, it almost seemed like ETTL was just not working, or inaccurate information was being exchanged, resulting in the incorrect exposures. Has anyone seen this or the thread that talked about it? Thanks. This was a paid gig, and I've been able to recover a lot of the photos and am glad I had the second shooter there. I did have a second body with me (1d4) and probably should have tried it but didn't. I just want to better understand this moving forward.

What metering mode were you shooting in? Because if you were shooting with AF-linked spot-metering, then it's certainly possible you're throwing off the exposure.


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Mar 28, 2013 12:52 as a reply to  @ jwcdds's post |  #3606

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Mar 28, 2013 13:29 |  #3607

jwcdds wrote in post #15762872 (external link)
What metering mode were you shooting in? Because if you were shooting with AF-linked spot-metering, then it's certainly possible you're throwing off the exposure.

I should have provided more details. I used evaluative metering mode mostly. I tried center-weighted just to see if there was a difference. I had fresh batteries in both the 580EX II and the 580EX. If I stood 5 feet away from someone and cranked FEC +2, then I could blow out the scene. Most of my shots were from maybe 10-15' away, one or two subjects, and I'd try bouncing the flash and direct flash. I'd get anywhere from a quarter stop underexposed to 2 stops underexposed. My second shooter would be standing right next to me, shooting the same scene with the same camera settings, and he'd get more balanced lighting with the subjects properly exposed. So I know it wasn't a reach issue for the flash, as he was using the 430EX II.


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Mar 28, 2013 13:57 as a reply to  @ sdipirro's post |  #3608

How about the ETTL flash metering settings? Possible the zooms on the flashes were set differently? I feel like so many things could affect your different results.


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Mar 28, 2013 15:04 |  #3609

ChrisGorabPhotography wrote in post #15765893 (external link)
How about the ETTL flash metering settings? Possible the zooms on the flashes were set differently? I feel like so many things could affect your different results.

Zoom settings should have been automatic, right? He was using the 50L, and I was using the 24-70 f2.8 II at around 50mm when we were trying to compare. I know he set ETTL settings on the flash to use average. I was using the default settings on the flash itself. I don't understand how there could be "so many things" causing this when quite a few things were constant between the two cameras. I guess what I don't understand is how I could put the camera in M mode, set aperture to f5.6, shutter speed to 1/125, ISO to 800, evaluative metering, center focus point, two different flashes with fresh batteries and set to ETTL, point at a subject 10 feet away, and have that subject 1-2 stops underexposed.


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Mar 28, 2013 15:42 |  #3610

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So I got my 1DX today (since I sold my 5D3 last week) along with a new 24-70 II and 70-200 II ... and I was a little disappointed, coming from the 5D3 I don't see that much difference. Of course I haven't had much time to test it yet.
Also I just noticed the firmware is at 1.0.6 but Canon has 1.2.1 out already ..... I'm doing the update now.

What was your expectation as far as image quality?


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Mar 28, 2013 16:02 as a reply to  @ silvias13's post |  #3611

Well, I don't know if I am doing something wrong but I find quite a bit of noise, even at ISO 100! Also I was reading that the "extra" functions over the 5D3 as far as AF are actually only for certain modes (252 zone and face/color recognition for example)
All in all, I like it, but it's not much over a 5D3 (other than integrated grip and sealing) but more than double the price, I just don't see $6500+ there whereas the 5D3 I easily see the $3000 lol ....
I shoot raw and purposely underexposed by 1 stop to test, I pulled it back up in LR4 and OMG all the noise and banding in the shadows I had never seen that on my 5D3, maybe it's just user error on my part ???


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Mar 28, 2013 18:49 |  #3612

All this complaining about the "value" of the 1Dx over the 5D mk3 is a little silly. They are aimed at different market segments BUT in the end do produce similar results.
The 1Dx has a LOT of features and speed that justify the extra cost. I own both and have tens of thousands of shutter clicks on each.
The AF software is the same, however, the 1Dx acquires and locks onto a target much faster due to the extra sensor and extra processor. The burst speed is the big "headline" on the 1Dx and for some situations, it is necessary. The 5D mk3 will not do the job. Having dual CF cards and the ability to dual write for backup is essential for some situations. The 5D's SD card actually cripples the buffer speed of the camera. Two card types is a PITA!
Weather sealing is another major difference. The 5D cannot take abuse like the 1Dx.
Ethernet connectivity is a feature I use on the 1Dx. Much faster than USB.
The battery system on the 1Dx lasts WAY longer than a single battery 5D mk3. And though my 5D mk3 wears a battery grip with two batteries, it still doesn't last as long. Plus having to deal with two batteries and a tray sucks. The whole grip feels like a toy rather than the solid, one-piece body of the 1Dx. The buttons fall perfectly under my fingers. The 5D makes me hunt for certain features.

All this boils down to how you plan to use the camera. If you aren't in need of the "pro" features, then the 5D mk3 is a great camera. I don't plan to give mine up any time soon. That said, as soon as I can swing a second 1Dx, it'll push the 5D mk3 to video duty which it does very well.

Hopefully this sheds a bit of light on why the 1Dx costs a lot more than the 5D mk3. If not, sell me your 1Dx and buy two 5D mk3's!


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Mar 28, 2013 19:25 |  #3613

71sbeetle wrote in post #15766369 (external link)
Well, I don't know if I am doing something wrong but I find quite a bit of noise, even at ISO 100! Also I was reading that the "extra" functions over the 5D3 as far as AF are actually only for certain modes (252 zone and face/color recognition for example)
All in all, I like it, but it's not much over a 5D3 (other than integrated grip and sealing) but more than double the price, I just don't see $6500+ there whereas the 5D3 I easily see the $3000 lol ....
I shoot raw and purposely underexposed by 1 stop to test, I pulled it back up in LR4 and OMG all the noise and banding in the shadows I had never seen that on my 5D3, maybe it's just user error on my part ???

I borrowed one from CPS and I wasn't impressed as well(sensor wise). If you don't need all the bells and whistles, stick to the 5D3. I did Iike the ergonomics and button layout though. And the high ISO performance and FPS speed is certainly impressive( if you need a bigger buffer). :)




  
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Mar 28, 2013 22:27 |  #3614

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All this complaining about the "value" of the 1Dx over the 5D mk3 is a little silly.

The comparison between the two is older than a 10D! :rolleyes:


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Mar 28, 2013 23:00 |  #3615

Waaaahh, I need to justify my camera to all these meanies!

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