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Jun 23, 2012 21:04 |  #1

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Jun 23, 2012 21:11 |  #2

I hope you get paid. Did you ask him about him being at the "car wash"?? I would have asked him about it as soon as he arrived in a dirty car.


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Jun 23, 2012 21:13 |  #3

emelvee wrote in post #14622656 (external link)
I hope you get paid. Did you ask him about him being at the "car wash"?? I would have asked him about it as soon as he arrived in a dirty car.

He said he was in the line, and because he didnt want to be even more late to our appointment, that he bailed. When he got on location he asked if there was anything near by, and there wasnt anything at all! It was extremely irresponsible on his part to not prepare adequately for the shoot. Its like me showing up late to a shoot and saying I forgot my CF card, where is the closest Bestbuy so I can buy one?


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Jun 23, 2012 21:15 |  #4

That's really too bad :( Wish I had some words of advice - I'm sure people with photography businesses will chime in soon enough with some wise words!


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Jun 23, 2012 21:25 |  #5

emelvee wrote in post #14622670 (external link)
That's really too bad :( Wish I had some words of advice - I'm sure people with photography businesses will chime in soon enough with some wise words!

Theres not much that can be done anyway from what I can see :( It sucks for me on 2 front; 1) I lose out on a nice sizable pay to get my business moving along, 2) Im afraid to even post the photos because he will get a hold of them (even if they would be 1 MP in size, at 72 DPI).

It seemed to be a very promising business relationship that would get me some steady jobs and move my business along well, especially important now when I am just starting out.

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Jun 23, 2012 21:27 |  #6

So what does your contract say about terms of payment?




  
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Jun 23, 2012 21:28 |  #7

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So what does your contract say about terms of payment?

Exactly the problem! A contract was never established to begin with. Thats #1 on my list right now to get setup for future shoots.


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Jun 23, 2012 21:28 |  #8

Wow. Stinks.

I think the customer is broke.

Otherwise, this is nonsense.


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Jun 23, 2012 21:31 |  #9

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Wow. Stinks.

I think the customer is broke.

Otherwise, this is nonsense.

I updated the OP, he had cash on his person to pay for the shoot, but I declined on the spot payment until I can get an official quote for the shoot. He drives a 08 BMW M3 himself...

Also updated with the shots from the shoot.


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Jun 23, 2012 22:02 |  #10

Clone out the logos, put up as stock somewhere like Getty or Alamy. ;)


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Jun 23, 2012 22:08 |  #11

A cheap learning experience. At least you weren't out material costs. Hopefully you got something out of the shoot from an experience standpoint.


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Jun 23, 2012 22:12 |  #12

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A cheap learning experience. At least you weren't out material costs. Hopefully you got something out of the shoot from an experience standpoint.

I for sure did! Im talking to the company that makes the wheels to buy my shots from both sessions Ive had so far. Waiting to hear back to finalize everything.


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Jun 23, 2012 22:21 |  #13

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Jun 23, 2012 22:57 |  #14

Tony_Stark wrote in post #14622716 (external link)
I updated the OP, he had cash on his person to pay for the shoot, but I declined on the spot payment until I can get an official quote for the shoot. He drives a 08 BMW M3 himself...

Also updated with the shots from the shoot.

EVERYBODY who goes shopping for ANYTHING ends up with buyers remorse sooner or later. Unless you are VERY comfortable with the idea of your client having a change-of-heart at a later date... the camera should stay in the bag until business is complete.

For a commercial job like you describe - you can split up the business so that the client pays for the "creative fee" upfront. He can then purchase the image rights for select photos at a later time.

Live and learn eh... it was a pretty small job in any case.


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Jun 23, 2012 23:10 |  #15

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EVERYBODY who goes shopping for ANYTHING ends up with buyers remorse sooner or later. Unless you are VERY comfortable with the idea of your client having a change-of-heart at a later date... the camera should stay in the bag until business is complete.

For a commercial job like you describe - you can split up the business so that the client pays for the "creative fee" upfront. He can then purchase the image rights for select photos at a later time.

Live and learn eh... it was a pretty small job in any case.

Agreed. For the future, all the fees for the shoot will be agreed before the shoot, and funds will be paid up front at the time of the shoot, as well as a contract being signed.

Although a small job yes, when just starting out, no job is too small :D Money is money! What I didnt get paid for in terms of money, I got my fair share of experience!


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