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Jun 26, 2012 16:26 |  #1

OK, let me start by saying I'm still a noob...

I'm looking for a macro lens (or tubes) for my T3i...I plan on buying one by week's end.

Is the 100mm f/2 a macro lens? If not, what makes the two 100mm's different?

How do the Kenko tubes compare in quality, and ease of use compared to a 100mm macro lens?

Is having a true macro lens worth the difference is money over the Kenko tubes?

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...now, should I go with the 100mm, or are any of these a better value?:

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Jun 26, 2012 16:32 |  #2

LOL, after reading my post, maybe I should've just said "Which macro option is best for up to a $600 spending limit", lol?


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Jun 26, 2012 16:45 |  #3

I have both the 100 Macro and the tubes. 100 is sharper and ez'er to use.


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Jun 26, 2012 16:49 |  #4

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OK, let me start by saying I'm still a noob...

I'm looking for a macro lens (or tubes) for my T3i...I plan on buying one by week's end.

Is the 100mm f/2 a macro lens? If not, what makes the two 100mm's different?

No, it's not. That, and the faster aperture of the F/2 lens are the main differences.

How do the Kenko tubes compare in quality, and ease of use compared to a 100mm macro lens?

The lens is easier to use. The tubes can be used on different lenses, but reduce your working distance and may lose you the ability to focus to infinity.

Is having a true macro lens worth the difference is money over the Kenko tubes?

Probably.

...should I go with the 100mm, or are any of these a better value?:

Sigma - 17-70mm f/2.8-4.5 DC Macro OS Lens for Select Canon Digital SLR Cameras
Sale: $419.99

Canon - EF-S 60mm f/2.8 USM Macro Lens
Sale: $429.99

The Sigma, despite its name, is not a macro lens.
The 60mm is a definite alternative to the 100. Both are exquisitely sharp. The differences are price, working distance, and mount, the last possibly being a factor if you plan to get a full frame camera.

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LOL, after reading my post, maybe I should've just said "Which macro option is best for up to a $600 spending limit", lol?

The 100/2.8 or the 60/2.8.




  
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Jun 26, 2012 16:57 |  #5

Wow, thanks! I hate to ask, but could you elaborate on this just a bit:

"The 60mm is a definite alternative to the 100. Both are exquisitely sharp. The differences are price, working distance, and mount, the last possibly being a factor if you plan to get a full frame camera."

I assume with the 60mm you need to be closer, but what are the minimum distances for each?

When you say 'mount', are you saying I'd need an adapter for one?

I don't plan on a full frame any time soon, at least 2 years...but why would that matter?

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Jun 26, 2012 17:39 |  #6

Ace and Deuce wrote in post #14635936 (external link)
Wow, thanks! I hate to ask, but could you elaborate on this just a bit:

"The 60mm is a definite alternative to the 100. Both are exquisitely sharp. The differences are price, working distance, and mount, the last possibly being a factor if you plan to get a full frame camera."

I assume with the 60mm you need to be closer, but what are the minimum distances for each?

You assume correctly. Of course, you can stand at any distance, but to get the 1:1 magnification maximum you need to be at the minimum distance. Working distance (from the front of the lens to the subject) for the 60 is 90 mm; for the 100 it's about 150 mm.

When you say 'mount', are you saying I'd need an adapter for one?

No. The 60 is an EF-S mount, so can't be used on an APS-H or FF EOS body (the 1D, 1Ds, or 5D models). The 100 is an EF mount and can be used on any EOS body.

I don't plan on a full frame any time soon, at least 2 years...but why would that matter

See above.

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Jun 26, 2012 17:45 |  #7

You're awesome, thanks!! Looks like I'll be grabbing the 100mm. I like the idea of not being as close, and if I were to upgrade, I'd like to think MKII or III (Although in 2 years, who knows, lol).


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Jun 26, 2012 17:50 |  #8

extension tubes will (not may) lose you infinity focus. Also, unless you are starting with a fairly fast lens, it will be very dark for focusing.

Both the EF-S 60mm macro and the 100mm macro are superb lenses. I use both lengths on a crop sensor camera (same crop as yours). The 60 is small, light, balances well on a camera like yours, and is easier to hand-hold. The 100, because of its greater working distance, is a bit better for chasing bugs, if that is what you are going to do. I use the 60mm more than the 100 for flowers, but the 100 would be fine too. I almost always use the 100 for bugs, but I did bugs with the 60 for a few years before I had the 100, so it can be done.

Re needing to be closer: only for minimum focusing distance (and maximum magnification). For a lot of shots, you end up a bit rather away.


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Jun 26, 2012 17:53 |  #9

Thanks paddler! I'm sure I'll be chasing bugs, lol, but I plan on using it a ton. As for the size, it shouldn't bother me a bit. I usually have my 55-250mm on my camera and have no problems (I'm a pretty big dude, lol).


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Jun 26, 2012 18:45 |  #10

might as well start budgeting for a flash...you're probably going to need one sooner rather than later if you're shooting macro...

also don't brag about being able to hold the 55-250mm on your camera...it's like the lightest lens canon sells :)


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Jun 26, 2012 18:52 |  #11

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also don't brag about being able to hold the 55-250mm on your camera...it's like the lightest lens canon sells :)

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...lol, jk...Yeah, a flash is definitely next in line, and probably my last purchase of the year. Next year I'm shooting for an L lens (100-400) then I should be done for a while.

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Jun 26, 2012 22:42 |  #12

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...lol, jk...Yeah, a flash is definitely next in line, and probably my last purchase of the year. Next year I'm shooting for an L lens (100-400) then I should be done for a while.

Well, of course there is the EF 100/2.8L IS macro lens...




  
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Jun 27, 2012 10:19 |  #13

I think you'll be happy with either of the Canon 100mm macros. They are both excellent lenses. I've been using the USM (non-L/IS) for a number of years and it's very handy focal length on both crop and full frame.

Like any macro lens, focus is a little slower than equivalant focal length, non-macro lenses. A macro just has to move the focus group a whole heck of a lot farther, to be able to focus all the way from infinity to 1:1. But the USM helps, and the lens has a focus limiter switch you can use, that make it reasonably usable for non-macro purposes too.

You asked about the 100/2... and besides the obvious difference in max apertures and the macro focusing capabilities, the macro lens is a "flat field" design and the 100/2 is not. A flat field design is optimized for close focusing, to produce edge to edge sharpness at close distances. You could pop some extension tubes behind the 100/2 and get it to focus a whole lot closer, but the corners of your images would be softer and likely there would be some vignetting too.

One nice thing about the Canon 100mm macro lenses, they can optionally be fitted with a tripod mounting ring. It's not included standard, but can be a very handy accessory with a macro lens. The Canon 50mm and 60mm macros cannot be fitted with a t'pod ring. AFAIK, most of the third party lenses in the 90mm to 105mm range also can't be fitted with one. Note that the Canon t'pod ring is pretty pricey... there are lower priced third party clones that seem fine and cost a lot less, on eBay and elsewhere.

The Internal Focus design of the Canon 100mm macros makes them a fairly large lens, but they don't change length when focused, the way some macro lenses do (I'm not certain, but the original Canon 100mm non-USM macro might not have been Internal Focus design... both the current USM and L/IS are).

The lens hood for the Canon 100/2.8 USM is huge, but recommended. The front element is far forward and exposed, so the hood is helpful for protection both from oblique light and from bumps. If the hood gets in the way, it can always be removed temporarily. I've also got a second, smaller hood for mine (screw-in 58mm, I think it's from a Tamron telephoto lens). I use that with certain flashes, when the Canon hood gets in the way. There are third party clones of the Canon hood that are considerably less expensive.

Another reason I like the 100/2.8 USM is that it shares filter size with many other Canon lenses: 58mm. The newer 100L/IS uses 67mm, which fewer other Canon lenses use.

P.S. Even if you get the 100mm macro, you still might want a set of macro extension tubes eventually. I've used them together at times, for greater than 1:1 magnification. I think you can get close to 2:1 or twice life size, using the Kenko set with the 100mm.


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Jun 27, 2012 11:06 |  #14

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One nice thing about the Canon 100mm macro lenses, they can optionally be fitted with a tripod mounting ring. It's not included standard, but can be a very handy accessory with a macro lens. The Canon 50mm and 60mm macros cannot be fitted with a t'pod ring. AFAIK, most of the third party lenses in the 90mm to 105mm range also can't be fitted with one. Note that the Canon t'pod ring is pretty pricey... there are lower priced third party clones that seem fine and cost a lot less, on eBay and elsewhere.

The Internal Focus design of the Canon 100mm macros makes them a fairly large lens, but they don't change length when focused, the way some macro lenses do (I'm not certain, but the original Canon 100mm non-USM macro might not have been Internal Focus design... both the current USM and L/IS are).

Another reason I like the 100/2.8 USM is that it shares filter size with many other Canon lenses: 58mm. The newer 100L/IS uses 67mm, which fewer other Canon lenses use.

P.S. Even if you get the 100mm macro, you still might want a set of macro extension tubes eventually. I've used them together at times, for greater than 1:1 magnification. I think you can get close to 2:1 or twice life size, using the Kenko set with the 100mm.


Just to answer about the original non-USM 100mm macro. Obviously no USM (it would be nice for non-macro shots, I usually focus manually for macro so less of a big deal). It can't take a tripod mount (unfortunately it the main thing I wish it could use). It does not have internal focusing, so it extends (size difference is not a big deal). It takes a 52mm filter size. IQ close/same (depending on who you talk to/individual copies) to the other two.

Agreed get extension tubes to use with it even if you get the macro.


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Jun 27, 2012 21:57 |  #15

Thanks guys!! Very good, and useful information!


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