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Jun 26, 2012 20:15 |  #1

I've read so much I think I'm confusing myself. I'm having a hard time coming up with a quick and efficient method in balancing flash in various portrait situations. Without too much science and confusion I will pose a few scenerios and I'd like people to discuss step by step solutions to achieving a good exposure with the first shutter click. Please explain metering techniques and modes and flash settings. Lets assume a speedlite, no modifier, no nd filters, and try to focus on obtaining proper flash/camera settings. I believe my problem is improper metering modes to try and obtain proper settings, and improper use of ettl (or misunderstanding of ettl ). Perhaps I should just go full manual on camera and flash. I have an L-358 and have better results when I use that, but it seems a very slow process.

1. Subject(s) standing under a pavilion style roof, ambient mid afternoon sunny sky daylight illuminating trees with green leaves behind the subject. No sky in frame.

2. Group of Subjects standing in front of shaded folliage. Subjects lit by light passing through leaves leaving shaded and sunlit areas on their faces. Can a fill flash be used to brighten the leaf shadows without blowing out the sunlit areas? Moving them is not an option.

3. The sunset shot, subjects backlit by horizon sunset. What metering mode for sunset exposure? Then can ettl be used? Or again, meter and manual.




  
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Jun 26, 2012 21:01 |  #2

Buchinger wrote in post #14636848 (external link)
I've read so much I think I'm confusing myself. I'm having a hard time coming up with a quick and efficient method in balancing flash in various portrait situations. Without too much science and confusion I will pose a few scenerios and I'd like people to discuss step by step solutions to achieving a good exposure with the first shutter click. Please explain metering techniques and modes and flash settings. Lets assume a speedlite, no modifier, no nd filters, and try to focus on obtaining proper flash/camera settings. I believe my problem is improper metering modes to try and obtain proper settings, and improper use of ettl (or misunderstanding of ettl ). Perhaps I should just go full manual on camera and flash. I have an L-358 and have better results when I use that, but it seems a very slow process.

1. Subject(s) standing under a pavilion style roof, ambient mid afternoon sunny sky daylight illuminating trees with green leaves behind the subject. No sky in frame.

2. Group of Subjects standing in front of shaded folliage. Subjects lit by light passing through leaves leaving shaded and sunlit areas on their faces. Can a fill flash be used to brighten the leaf shadows without blowing out the sunlit areas? Moving them is not an option.

3. The sunset shot, subjects backlit by horizon sunset. What metering mode for sunset exposure? Then can ettl be used? Or again, meter and manual.

Based on the above, bolded part... I want to first ask, what shooting mode have you been trying to use? Aperture priority? The reason I ask is because the camera can treat the flash differently depending on the shooting mode you are using.

With regard to metering mode: For me (and I'm not saying that it's right but I've found that it just usually works best for me) I'm almost always in the spot metering mode. However, regardless of what metering mode you use, you can always dial in Exposure Compensation (EC) to alter the exposure to your liking.


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Jun 26, 2012 21:42 |  #3

I've tried all three, and frankly I can't remember which mode was giving me the issue. I've been using center weighted average metering but may switch to spot. It seems the issue I've been having is, I will meter the scene and adjust for background exposure, but then it seems the camera/flash will somehow override that and rather than fill, its almost fully lit with flash. Ive got the day off tomorrow and I'm going to experiment with metering modes and camera modes and see how it affects the exposure and flash. In many cases I was dialing the ec. Down to -3 to get the results I wanted.




  
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Jun 26, 2012 23:24 |  #4

Good information here:

https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1195516


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Jun 27, 2012 20:05 |  #5

Buchinger wrote in post #14637191 (external link)
I've tried all three, and frankly I can't remember which mode was giving me the issue. I've been using center weighted average metering but may switch to spot. It seems the issue I've been having is, I will meter the scene and adjust for background exposure, but then it seems the camera/flash will somehow override that and rather than fill, its almost fully lit with flash. Ive got the day off tomorrow and I'm going to experiment with metering modes and camera modes and see how it affects the exposure and flash. In many cases I was dialing the ec. Down to -3 to get the results I wanted.

Neil van Niekerk's blog (external link) is a good place to learn about flash techniques


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Jun 29, 2012 19:34 |  #6

Thanks - I will definitely read through that! I've read strobist 101 until I was blue in the face! I think I understand the BASIC fundamentals. Believe it or not, I have more issues using ETTL than simply using my Light meter and manual OCF. I really want to just master throwing in a little fill quickly and efficiently with my flash on the bracket. Sometimes its just nothing like I expect it to be...




  
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