Approve the Cookies
This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and our Privacy Policy.
OK
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Guest
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Register to forums    Log in

 
FORUMS Post Processing, Marketing & Presenting Photos RAW, Post Processing & Printing 
Thread started 13 Dec 2005 (Tuesday) 00:23
Search threadPrev/next
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

Elements 4.0 or CS2?

 
Ray ­ Marrero
Goldmember
Avatar
1,770 posts
Gallery: 23 photos
Likes: 136
Joined Jul 2005
Location: New Jersey
     
Dec 13, 2005 00:23 |  #1

Why use Elements instead of CS2? And if you have CS2, do you still need Elements?


Ray
Canon 6D, 7D, 30D, Flashpoint Zoom Li-on R2 x2, Flashpoint eVOLV 200 and XPlor 600, AB800 x3, Canon 10-22mm, 18-55mm, 50mm 1.8, 85mm 1.8, 24-70mm 2.8L, 24-105mm 4.0L, 70-200mm 2.8L IS, Sigma 28-105mm 2.8, Tamron 28-75mm 2.8, CyberSyncs.

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
cmM
Goldmember
Avatar
5,705 posts
Joined Apr 2004
Location: Chicago / San Francisco
     
Dec 13, 2005 01:05 |  #2

I haven't used elements and have no desire to, it's just a chopped up version of photoshop.




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
lostdoggy
King Duffus
Avatar
4,787 posts
Joined Aug 2004
Location: Queens, NY
     
Dec 13, 2005 01:14 |  #3

CS2 is a big commitement. It is difficult to learn but once you get the hang on it then it become easier like everything else. Element is what have been said, a strip down version of CS2. Since you are askingthen go w/ CS2 either way you're going to have to learn it you might as well play w/ the big boys.




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
goatee
"nice but dim"
Avatar
5,239 posts
Joined May 2005
Location: North of London, UK
     
Dec 13, 2005 04:51 |  #4

Elements is a fantastic piece of software - it's got a gentler learning curve than its big brother, and is still massively powerful. That being said, I'm still learning Photoshop 6!


D7100, 50mm f/1.8, 18-140mm f/3.5-5.6, 70-300mm f/3.5-5.6 VR, SB800
https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=552906flickr (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Loki1117
Member
Avatar
145 posts
Joined Jan 2005
     
Dec 13, 2005 09:23 |  #5

It should also be noted that for the price, Elements is a great way to start. If you want to jump in to the deep end to start, then spend the extra $450 and get CS2.


Jeff :cool:

20D
Elan IIe

Eat a live toad first thing in the morning and
nothing worse will happen to you the rest of the day.

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
DaveG
Goldmember
2,040 posts
Likes: 1
Joined Aug 2003
Location: Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
     
Dec 14, 2005 08:34 |  #6

I think that Photoshop is the language of digital photography. If you don't speak it you can't communicate with the 99% of the mass of photographers/designer​s out there. But Elements is a way for a beginner to learn that language without spending a ton of money. Skills learned in Elements are easily taken - at least for the most part - over to PS, when the time comes.

As far as learning PS, I suppose that it's possible to do so with some books and time. But I took a course in basic PS and that opened up the doors. Sure you'll learn how to use levels and how the clone tool works on your own, and pretty quickly. But the strength of PS - Layer's, layer masks et al, require some explanation. So don't only buy Elements or PS, plan on taking a course too.


"There's never time to do it right. But there's always time to do it over."
Canon 5D, 50D; 16-35 f2.8L, 24-105 f4L IS, 50 f1.4, 100 f2.8 Macro, 70-200 f2.8L, 300mm f2.8L IS.

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
uktrailmonster
Senior Member
466 posts
Likes: 1
Joined Oct 2005
Location: UK
     
Dec 14, 2005 17:53 |  #7

Ray Marrero wrote:
Why use Elements instead of CS2? And if you have CS2, do you still need Elements?

I think your question is the wrong way round. It should be why use CS2 instead of Elements. For most people Elements is sufficient and it costs a hell of a lot less. The only thing I miss in Elements is the channel mixer, but I can get by without it.


Canon 7D, Canon D30, Canon G2, EF 24-85 F3.5-4.5, EF 75-300 F4-5.6 IS, EF 300 F4 L IS, EF 85 F1.8, iMac 24" + Canon i9100

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
cyclone
Senior Member
Avatar
358 posts
Joined Feb 2005
Location: Illinois, USA
     
Dec 14, 2005 20:23 |  #8

uktrailmonster wrote:
The only thing I miss in Elements is the channel mixer, but I can get by without it

You can get a free channel mixer plug-in for PSE from earthboundlight.com (also comes with curves!)


20D · elan7 · G2
ef24/2.8 · ef50/1.8 · ef85/1.8 · efs10-22
tamron 28-75/2.8 · 70-200/4.0 · 100-400
420ex · other stuffhttp://cyclone.zenfoli​o.com/ (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
PuR ­ HART
Senior Member
Avatar
513 posts
Joined Jan 2005
Location: NC
     
Dec 24, 2005 12:53 |  #9

never used Elements but I guess if cash was an issue i would think about it but since all i know and that is little in terms of PS that haus I would get the industry standard


www.ryancharlesphotogr​aphy.com (external link)
Bodies:
20D and 30D
Lenses: 17-55 2.8IS,70-200 2.8IS,17-85 4-5.6IS,50 1.8,100 2.8
macro

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
vjack
Goldmember
Avatar
1,602 posts
Likes: 1
Joined Jul 2005
Location: Mississippi, USA
     
Dec 24, 2005 13:14 |  #10

If you already have CS2, the only thing you'd get from Elements would be Organizer. It is nice but slow photo album software. I have CS2 but use the Elements 3.0 organizer because it came with my Spyder2.



Canon 20D
Canon EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM
Sigma 18-125mm f/3.5-5.6 DC
Tamron 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di LD
Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II
Canon EF 70-200mm f/4L

Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6
L IS
Canon Speedlite 430EX
Manfrotto 3021BPRO; Kirk BH-1 ballhead
Canon Pixma 4200
< see my gallery (external link) >

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
SWPhotoImaging
Goldmember
Avatar
3,231 posts
Joined Nov 2003
Location: No. Calif.
     
Dec 24, 2005 19:30 |  #11

Elements is a good starting place for learning digital image processing, and is a very capable program. Moving from Elements to PSCS2 is easier than going to PSCS2 with no prior PS experience, but is not a required step. Once one starts using PSCS2, they probably don't use Elements anymore except in specific cases as vjack pointed out.


SWPhoto-Imaging

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Tsmith
Formerly known as Bluedog_XT
Avatar
10,429 posts
Likes: 26
Joined Jul 2005
Location: South_the 601
     
Dec 24, 2005 21:19 as a reply to  @ cyclone's post |  #12

cyclone wrote:
You can get a free channel mixer plug-in for PSE from earthboundlight.com (also comes with curves!)

Outstanding add on for PSE 1,2 & 3 ... thanks for the heads up on that.




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Ray ­ Marrero
THREAD ­ STARTER
Goldmember
Avatar
1,770 posts
Gallery: 23 photos
Likes: 136
Joined Jul 2005
Location: New Jersey
     
Dec 25, 2005 20:59 |  #13

Hey all,

I just installed Elements 3.0 and it has a few things that I might use. I can do slideshows and VCD's to give out. I can't do that with PS7. Also I just ordered PS CS2, tonight. Can I do VCD's with CS2? If not, I think I will keep and learn both.


Ray
Canon 6D, 7D, 30D, Flashpoint Zoom Li-on R2 x2, Flashpoint eVOLV 200 and XPlor 600, AB800 x3, Canon 10-22mm, 18-55mm, 50mm 1.8, 85mm 1.8, 24-70mm 2.8L, 24-105mm 4.0L, 70-200mm 2.8L IS, Sigma 28-105mm 2.8, Tamron 28-75mm 2.8, CyberSyncs.

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Hound
Hatchling
Avatar
7 posts
Joined Jan 2006
Location: Devon, UK
     
Jan 28, 2006 16:39 as a reply to  @ Ray Marrero's post |  #14

:) From what I have read PSE is all that many folk need to do their image editing. Workarounds have been found that narrow the gap between the two products and with the massive price difference it is, IMHO, worth starting with PSE. Scott Kelby' book - retailing £24.99 can be had from Amazon for 50% off.

Martin


20D
17-85 IS USM

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Headcase650
Goldmember
Avatar
1,632 posts
Joined Jun 2004
     
Jan 29, 2006 16:21 |  #15

Thats one of the benifits of elements that doesnt come with Photoshop. All the extras geard twards consumers, the slide shows, the VCD's, the premade templates for cards or callenders. These things arent intended for the printing company or graphic artest or add agnecy thats buying $650 phoptshop.


60D, Canon 18-135 IS, Sigma 10-20 hsm, 24-70 2.8 hsm, 70-200 2.8 hsm, 430EX II, and all the other stuff that goes along with it.

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

2,841 views & 0 likes for this thread, 15 members have posted to it.
Elements 4.0 or CS2?
FORUMS Post Processing, Marketing & Presenting Photos RAW, Post Processing & Printing 
AAA
x 1600
y 1600

Jump to forum...   •  Rules   •  Forums   •  New posts   •  RTAT   •  'Best of'   •  Gallery   •  Gear   •  Reviews   •  Member list   •  Polls   •  Image rules   •  Search   •  Password reset   •  Home

Not a member yet?
Register to forums
Registered members may log in to forums and access all the features: full search, image upload, follow forums, own gear list and ratings, likes, more forums, private messaging, thread follow, notifications, own gallery, all settings, view hosted photos, own reviews, see more and do more... and all is free. Don't be a stranger - register now and start posting!


COOKIES DISCLAIMER: This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and to our privacy policy.
Privacy policy and cookie usage info.


POWERED BY AMASS forum software 2.58forum software
version 2.58 /
code and design
by Pekka Saarinen ©
for photography-on-the.net

Latest registered member was a spammer, and banned as such!
1596 guests, 118 members online
Simultaneous users record so far is 15,144, that happened on Nov 22, 2018

Photography-on-the.net Digital Photography Forums is the website for photographers and all who love great photos, camera and post processing techniques, gear talk, discussion and sharing. Professionals, hobbyists, newbies and those who don't even own a camera -- all are welcome regardless of skill, favourite brand, gear, gender or age. Registering and usage is free.