1D mkIV & 1DmkIII no longer available on canon website?

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No longer listed... suppose it's official now huh. They are gone forever.... obsolete

Too bad

Obsolete my a.... my 7 year old 20D isn't obsolete. Sure I have three newer and better bodies, but that doesn't make it obsolete. The 1D MKIV sure isn't obsolete. If someone wants to act like it is and sell me their's for about $900 because they just can't bear to own something so outdated I will be glad to oblige though.

I'd gladly take an obsolete 1DIV off someone's hands as well, .

This is a stupid arrogant move on canons part. For the past 5 yrs the 1.3 format has given the professional market reach in a professional body at a slightly better price point than the full frame counterpart 1D series. The current MKIV is probably canons best camera to date prior to the 1Dx release. It allows people to get to 400MM with a 300MM F/2.8 lens and get one of the best optical set ups and AF systems on the market.

All canon is doing by eliminating the MKIV is forcing the professional market to buy more expensive Telephotos to get the same FOV. Not only does it cost $1800.00 additional for the 1Dx (which does not let you use F/8 and some extender combinations ) But the costs for a 400MM F/2.8 lens is $4500.00 additional expense. This means it costs $5900.00 additional dollars to use the 1Dx to get the same FOV as the current MKIV with a 300MM F/2.8 lens.

Total horses$!t move on canons part to increase their bottom line. It costs them nothing to leave the MKIV on the market except potential 1Dx sales. I think we are all going to find out that IQ wise, The 1Dx will have nothing over the MKIV. Im seeing a 1 Stop ISO Improvement and 2FPS over the MKIV if you dont count a newer AF system. BTW, The MKIV is no slouch in the AF department.

I'm waiting to see if Canon will introduce a new body or try to force everyone to take an upgraded 1.6 format 7D11 in place of the MKIV. This move on canons part really ticks me off. And if Nikon steps up and fills the void, depending on what canon decided to do here, I will probably jump to Nikon. You spend years with a company and invest in the products and then have these morons pull the plug on one of the best cameras they have put out in years to force people to buy more expensive telephotos Im not going for it one bit. Ill be putting shutters in this MKIV until hell freezes over..........Dumb move on canons part.

Mike, you're assuming that those who use the 1DX professionally don't have access to that extra 100mm of reach and you're wrong, sorry...

If you're in the trenches at major events, you don't bring a BB gun to the OK Corral. If you need 400mm, you bring 400mm and not 300mm plus "crop factor."

You can rage against the machine all you want but the 1DX is three years newer than the MkIV which means everything in it is three years newer, not just the final output. Seals, gaskets, processors, switches, dials, displays, everything!

Tech moves forward, not sideways. I love my MkIVs as much as the next guy (and my MkIII) but I'd dump them all in a second if I could afford to replace them with 1DXs!

FlyingPhotog wrote in post #14650070
Mike, you're assuming that those who use the 1DX professionally don't have access to that extra 100mm of reach and you're wrong, sorry...

If you're in the trenches at major events, you don't bring a BB gun to the OK Corral. If you need 400mm, you bring 400mm and not 300mm plus "crop factor."

You can rage against the machine all you want but the 1DX is three years newer than the MkIV which means everything in it is three years newer, not just the final output. Seals, gaskets, processors, switches, dials, displays, everything!

Tech moves forward, not sideways. I love my MkIVs as much as the next guy (and my MkIII) but I'd dump them all in a second if I could afford to replace them with 1DXs!

Agreed and in my experience the AF on the 5D3 is much better than the 1D4. I agree it would have been nice to keep the 1DIV around longer, but from a manufacturing perspective I suspect it is cheaper for them to discontinue the model.

umphotography wrote in post #14650037
This is a stupid arrogant move on canons part. For the past 5 yrs the 1.3 format has given the professional market reach in a professional body at a slightly better price point than the full frame counterpart 1D series. The current MKIV is probably canons best camera to date prior to the 1Dx release. It allows people to get to 400MM with a 300MM F/2.8 lens and get one of the best optical set ups and AF systems on the market.

All canon is doing by eliminating the MKIV is forcing the professional market to buy more expensive Telephotos to get the same FOV. Not only does it cost $1800.00 additional for the 1Dx (which does not let you use F/8 and some extender combinations ) But the costs for a 400MM F/2.8 lens is $4500.00 additional expense. This means it costs $5900.00 additional dollars to use the 1Dx to get the same FOV as the current MKIV with a 300MM F/2.8 lens.

Total horses$!t move on canons part to increase their bottom line. It costs them nothing to leave the MKIV on the market except potential 1Dx sales. I think we are all going to find out that IQ wise, The 1Dx will have nothing over the MKIV. Im seeing a 1 Stop ISO Improvement and 2FPS over the MKIV if you dont count a newer AF system. BTW, The MKIV is no slouch in the AF department.

I'm waiting to see if Canon will introduce a new body or try to force everyone to take an upgraded 1.6 format 7D11 in place of the MKIV. This move on canons part really ticks me off. And if Nikon steps up and fills the void, depending on what canon decided to do here, I will probably jump to Nikon. You spend years with a company and invest in the products and then have these morons pull the plug on one of the best cameras they have put out in years to force people to buy more expensive telephotos Im not going for it one bit. Ill be putting shutters in this MKIV until hell freezes over..........Dumb move on canons part.

I agree

umphotography wrote in post #14650037
This is a stupid arrogant move on canons part. For the past 5 yrs the 1.3 format has given the professional market reach in a professional body at a slightly better price point than the full frame counterpart 1D series. The current MKIV is probably canons best camera to date prior to the 1Dx release. It allows people to get to 400MM with a 300MM F/2.8 lens and get one of the best optical set ups and AF systems on the market.

All canon is doing by eliminating the MKIV is forcing the professional market to buy more expensive Telephotos to get the same FOV. Not only does it cost $1800.00 additional for the 1Dx (which does not let you use F/8 and some extender combinations ) But the costs for a 400MM F/2.8 lens is $4500.00 additional expense. This means it costs $5900.00 additional dollars to use the 1Dx to get the same FOV as the current MKIV with a 300MM F/2.8 lens.

Total horses$!t move on canons part to increase their bottom line. It costs them nothing to leave the MKIV on the market except potential 1Dx sales. I think we are all going to find out that IQ wise, The 1Dx will have nothing over the MKIV. Im seeing a 1 Stop ISO Improvement and 2FPS over the MKIV if you dont count a newer AF system. BTW, The MKIV is no slouch in the AF department.

I'm waiting to see if Canon will introduce a new body or try to force everyone to take an upgraded 1.6 format 7D11 in place of the MKIV. This move on canons part really ticks me off. And if Nikon steps up and fills the void, depending on what canon decided to do here, I will probably jump to Nikon. You spend years with a company and invest in the products and then have these morons pull the plug on one of the best cameras they have put out in years to force people to buy more expensive telephotos Im not going for it one bit. Ill be putting shutters in this MKIV until hell freezes over..........Dumb move on canons part.

So how do you really feel?

So sad...

I somewhat expect a 1DIVn though.

jase1125 wrote in post #14650212
Agreed and in my experience the AF on the 5D3 is much better than the 1D4. I agree it would have been nice to keep the 1DIV around longer, but from a manufacturing perspective I suspect it is cheaper for them to discontinue the model.

I wouldnt say the 5D3 is MUCH better at all. Its different. But much better is very debatable.They both have plus' and advantages over each other but I will say this..........They are both very very accurate. MKIV is faster. 5D3 is better in low light. Im more comfortable of the MKIV because i have used it for a longer period of time. Everyone complained about the AF on the MKIII, but i loved it. MKIV is a step up so i was very pleased. The 5D3 is very nice as well so with more time with it, i may swing your direction.

umphotography wrote in post #14651304
I wouldnt say the 5D3 is MUCH better at all. Its different. But much better is very debatable.They both have plus' and advantages over each other but I will say this..........They are both very very accurate. MKIV is faster. 5D3 is better in low light. Im more comfortable of the MKIV because i have used it for a longer period of time. Everyone complained about the AF on the MKIII, but i loved it. MKIV is a step up so i was very pleased. The 5D3 is very nice as well so with more time with it, i may swing your direction.

Everything is debatable when we deal with opinions . I shoot both and IMO the 5D3 has much better AF and slightly better IQ. That isn't to say the 1D4 AF is horrible because it isn't. However, keeper rate for me is a good bit higher with the 5D3. I end up using the 1D4 a bit more for other reasons though (wildlife and sports).

sounds like the values of 1D4 and 1D3 should hold as a result of this move. us mere mortals cannot all go get a 1Dx and can't just swap from 300mm F 2.8 to 400mm F2.8 on a whim like the pro sports shooters. i have the 300 2.8 and 500 4.0, but i am not going to pony up to fill the gap at 400mm.

FlyingPhotog wrote in post #14650070
Mike, you're assuming that those who use the 1DX professionally don't have access to that extra 100mm of reach and you're wrong, sorry...

If you're in the trenches at major events, you don't bring a BB gun to the OK Corral. If you need 400mm, you bring 400mm and not 300mm plus "crop factor."

You can rage against the machine all you want but the 1DX is three years newer than the MkIV which means everything in it is three years newer, not just the final output. Seals, gaskets, processors, switches, dials, displays, everything!

Tech moves forward, not sideways. I love my MkIVs as much as the next guy (and my MkIII) but I'd dump them all in a second if I could afford to replace them with 1DXs!

Most of the Canon pros shooting from the sidelines or the pit are using a 400 f2.8 on a 1.3--not any options unless I missed the announcement on the 550 2.8.

dave kadolph wrote in post #14654278
Most of the Canon pros shooting from the sidelines or the pit are using a 400 f2.8 on a 1.3--not any options unless I missed the announcement on the 550 2.8.

They make a 500mm f/4

Pretty sure agencies and major publications have them or can get them easily from CPS.

Pretty sure photographers didn't rely on "crop factor" before digital took over. There are many epic sports images taken in the film days.