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Jul 05, 2012 19:40 |  #1

I was wondering if anyone could give me some tips as to what settings to use without using the flash. I have a Canon 7D with a 70-200 f4 IS lens.

There is a horse jumping competition coming up with some large jumping classes in the indoor arena and I would love to get some good pictures. The indoor arena is undercover but open on three sides and the lighting is fairly average.

I would love to know what IOS, shutter speed, focus technique, etc. that others use so that I am a bit prepared. Thanks so much in advance :)




  
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Jul 11, 2012 15:51 |  #2

No one can tell you what settings you will need because they are dependent upon the light level. However, here are some hints to get started.

Use Av (aperture preferred) at 4.0, and then adjust the ISO until you get a shutter speed of 1/640 (or slightly faster). Use servo focus and choose the most appropriate focus point (with expansion points) to get the rider in sharp focus. Shooting RAW will give you the most leeway to adjust in post processing.

If the background is very bright compared to your subject, you may need some +Exposure Compensation to properly expose the subject (rider and horse). Give careful thought to having backgrounds as clean (non-distracting) as possible. Shoot and post your results. Good luck.

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Jul 11, 2012 16:46 |  #3

The best way to determine camera exposure settings for an indoor event is by using a light meter to measure the available light. (external link)

That was done at this indoor horse event.

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Camera Model: Canon EOS 60D
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Image Date: 2011-08-12 09:06:57 (no TZ)
Focal Length: 77.0mm
Aperture: f/2.8
Exposure Time: 0.0025 s (1/400)
ISO equiv: 4000
Exposure Bias: none
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Image Date: 2011-08-12 09:21:11 (no TZ)
Focal Length: 200.0mm
Aperture: f/2.8
Exposure Time: 0.0040 s (1/250)
ISO equiv: 3200
Exposure Bias: none
White Balance: Auto
Flash Fired: No (enforced)
Orientation: Normal
Color Space: sRGB


Yes, the images are grainy because of high ISO noise. Since this was a jumping event a high shutter speed was needed to stop action. Noise reduction software was not used in this case.

If no light meter is available, the next best approach is to choose a shutter speed (such as the suggested 1/640) that will stop action and then choose a ISO that will accommodate the shutter speed with a decent exposure. But, without measuring the light and seeing how the illumination works, any further suggestions would be mo more than guesses. If the arena is open on three sides, that may allow enough light inside to allow a useful shutter without an extremely high ISO, but, that light may also fool a camera's built in meter if extra light comes in from one side.

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I was wondering if anyone could give me some tips as to what settings to use without using the flash. I have a Canon 7D with a 70-200 f4 IS lens.
There is a horse jumping competition coming up with some large jumping classes in the indoor arena and I would love to get some good pictures. The indoor arena is undercover but open on three sides and the lighting is fairly average.
I would love to know what IOS, shutter speed, focus technique, etc. that others use so that I am a bit prepared. Thanks so much in advance :)




  
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Jul 11, 2012 16:52 |  #4

Showjumper91 wrote in post #14676010 (external link)
I was wondering if anyone could give me some tips as to what settings to use without using the flash. I have a Canon 7D with a 70-200 f4 IS lens.

There is a horse jumping competition coming up with some large jumping classes in the indoor arena and I would love to get some good pictures. The indoor arena is undercover but open on three sides and the lighting is fairly average.

I would love to know what IOS, shutter speed, focus technique, etc. that others use so that I am a bit prepared. Thanks so much in advance :)

A covered arena with open sides can be a bit of a nightmare as you can end up with strong backlighting. As mentioned above go wide open with your lens, use a fast shutter speed, and adjust ISO to get there if you can in that light. Stick with manual as the light in most arenas is pretty even.




  
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Jul 11, 2012 20:59 |  #5

gonzogolf wrote in post #14703523 (external link)
Stick with manual as the light in most arenas is pretty even.

I agree, M is the way to go when you are someplace that the light is even. Pick up a gray card if you don't have a light meter and use the camera to meter off that. Take some practice shots at those settings then adjust accordingly.

If you don't have a gray card then get your initial exposure of the ground (assuming it is a dirt floor, not some black rubber) then go from there.


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Jul 12, 2012 09:33 as a reply to  @ palmor's post |  #6

I'm surprised that everyone is expecting even lighting at a covered arena that is open on three sides.


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Jul 12, 2012 09:54 |  #7

Your camera has a light meter in it, by the way. The best approach would be to put your camera on AV, set it at f4 and aim at different areas of the track making note of the shutter speed. You'll want it ~1/640 or faster. Increase ISO as needed.

Once you figure out the settings, put the camera in Manual and keep it at those settings.

Remember, meter for the player. If the background blows out, that's fine, but the player needs to be properly exposed.


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Jul 12, 2012 10:50 |  #8

All the indoor pens around here with the exception of the Will Rodgers center ISO 3200-6400 shoot worth the fastest glass you have wide open 1/500 at the bare minimum. I shoot in manual inside the arenas since there will be brighter and darker spots and sometime your metering will pick up on something bright and adjust accordingly and you lose the shot over it.


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Jul 12, 2012 12:27 |  #9

Zivnuska wrote in post #14706304 (external link)
I'm surprised that everyone is expecting even lighting at a covered arena that is open on three sides.

I suspect it's less that they're expecting even lighting, than they prefer to meter for one or two spots and just shoot them rather than following the horse around the whole ring. It would be my preference as well - shooting a large object that comes in different colors on AV would seem to be a setup for problems.

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Jul 13, 2012 09:49 |  #10

Zivnuska wrote in post #14706304 (external link)
I'm surprised that everyone is expecting even lighting at a covered arena that is open on three sides.

The actual light falling on the arena will likely be pretty even, its the backlighthing that will change, and thats the sort of thing, along with differently colored horses that tend to fool automatic modes.




  
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Jul 14, 2012 03:58 |  #11

Thanks guys

I'll take all your advice into account and see what works best




  
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