why spend more money to do a free job.. practice with what you got then imo.
Jul 08, 2012 02:25 | #46 why spend more money to do a free job.. practice with what you got then imo.
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Jul 08, 2012 05:06 | #47 ospishus wrote in post #14685938  It sounds to me like a body with higher ISO capabilities would be more useful than lenses that are faster than 2.8? That would get the shutter speeds up and keep the DOF broader to increase the in focus keepers. As far as the 100 macro goes, the L model is a superb portrait lens but it's slow to focus through its range, so not much good for candids. The new 70-200 2.8 is great for that and sharp from 2.8. Buy a 70-200 2.8 II and resell when you return. I'm no wedding shooter- just my 2 cents thanks for your idea. it helps too. with the 60D i'm comfortable with ISO1600... i don't know if it's enough. Maybe depends on the ambient light in the church. I once shoot a first communion in a church where there's a huge windows on the sides and the sun is on one of them. turn out good.  ISO2500 F2.8 SS1/160 @50mm using my sigma  with the 100mm though, i can't do the same shutterspeed coz it's longer and without IS. I have to be at the minimum of 1/160 since my body is crop. If the subject moves, maybe the 1/160 is not enough. I believed the 1/160 is to avoid camera shake only, not for moving subject. I don't know if Ai Servo can help. correct me if i'm wrong. | SONY A7SIII(2) | A73 | A6000 | Sony A7IV | Sigma105 | FE1635F4 | Tamron 70-180mm F2.8 | Tamron 17-28 Tamron 28-75 | FE50F1.8 | Sony 16035F4PZ | SEL30mm F3.5 Macro | Canon 24mm TSE | Laowa 15mm Shift
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Jul 08, 2012 05:08 | #48 miguelr wrote in post #14686285 why spend more money to do a free job.. practice with what you got then imo. Good idea. I have a photog friend that said.... Rely on technique, not on gears. But it's right to have a long lens so you won't be "in the way" taking pictures during ceremony. | SONY A7SIII(2) | A73 | A6000 | Sony A7IV | Sigma105 | FE1635F4 | Tamron 70-180mm F2.8 | Tamron 17-28 Tamron 28-75 | FE50F1.8 | Sony 16035F4PZ | SEL30mm F3.5 Macro | Canon 24mm TSE | Laowa 15mm Shift
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ospishus Member 55 posts Likes: 1 Joined Dec 2009 Location: London Canada More info | Jul 08, 2012 07:43 | #49 Nice shot of the woman at the piano. It was fortunate that the sheet music acted as a reflector! The shot of the little girl has perfect DOF. There probably isn't a lot of fast movement that is unpredictable in the church so SS of 100 would be enough with a stabilized lens at a longer FL. I think that the B&G would be happy with either of these shots. Canon
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wayne.robbins Goldmember 2,062 posts Joined Nov 2010 More info | Jul 08, 2012 09:10 | #50 Buying a body was kind of a joke- like- if you wanted one- what better reason... EOS 5D III, EOS 7D,EOS Rebel T4i, Canon 70-200 f/2.8 IS II, Canon 24-105L, Canon 18-135 IS STM, 1.4x TC III, 2.0x TC III, Σ 50mm f/1.4, Σ 17-50 OS, Σ 70-200 OS, Σ 50-500 OS, Σ 1.4x TC, Σ 2.0x TC, 580EXII(3), Canon SX-40, Canon S100
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Jul 08, 2012 09:18 | #51 ospishus wrote in post #14686786 Nice shot of the woman at the piano. It was fortunate that the sheet music acted as a reflector! The shot of the little girl has perfect DOF. There probably isn't a lot of fast movement that is unpredictable in the church so SS of 100 would be enough with a stabilized lens at a longer FL. I think that the B&G would be happy with either of these shots. Thanks. And thank you again for noticing the music sheets has served as a reflector. I didn't know that. That's a good coincidence and technique. | SONY A7SIII(2) | A73 | A6000 | Sony A7IV | Sigma105 | FE1635F4 | Tamron 70-180mm F2.8 | Tamron 17-28 Tamron 28-75 | FE50F1.8 | Sony 16035F4PZ | SEL30mm F3.5 Macro | Canon 24mm TSE | Laowa 15mm Shift
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Jul 08, 2012 09:21 | #52 wayne.robbins wrote in post #14687029 Buying a body was kind of a joke- like- if you wanted one- what better reason... My point behind the scenes- was that while you can certainly go to primes if you can't use flash, and if 2.8 is not fast enough using a zoom- well, newer bodies, and especially certain full frame bodies have an advantage- being able to push ISO higher. I'm not fond of using much older tech and saying it is superior- it might be -but not necessarily for higher ISO- but a 5DII or 5D III will yield higher usable ISO's- with their larger sensors- so going to faster apertures and narrower DOF might not be the only answer.. Shooting f/1.4 might get you higher shutter speeds- at the expense of the DOF- which might not be what you want. If you are considering renting a lens- you might also consider renting a body- I found the prices relatively cheap.. i know. thanks. I'm really scared of using aperture larger than F2.8 due to DOF reason. With 60D i can go ISO2500 with confidence. | SONY A7SIII(2) | A73 | A6000 | Sony A7IV | Sigma105 | FE1635F4 | Tamron 70-180mm F2.8 | Tamron 17-28 Tamron 28-75 | FE50F1.8 | Sony 16035F4PZ | SEL30mm F3.5 Macro | Canon 24mm TSE | Laowa 15mm Shift
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TeamSpeed 01010100 01010011  More info | Jul 08, 2012 10:46 | #53 I had to shoot at ISO 12800 to use apertures of 3.2/3.5 at the last family event.
If you are restricted to just ISO 2500, you definitely have your work cut out for you. You should be able to work with ISO 6400 shots on the 60D, if you do ETTR. Past Equipment | My Personal Gallery
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Logicus Senior Member  787 posts Likes: 15 Joined Nov 2010 Location: Independence, KY More info | Jul 08, 2012 18:17 | #54 Here's some shots from the same wedding with two different camera setups.... you should call ahead and ask if you are permitted to use flash...  Here's what the above combo was made for - candids at the reception, etc... notice the extreme dof at f/1.4, ISO1000, 1/200....  If you're doing any group shots, you definitely need the wide end of your 17-5?... here's one I am glad I didn't have to do with the f/1.4 aperture... taken with the 40D and Tamron 17-50/2.8 and Canon 580EXII ... I had about 15-16 different family combinations to shoot and am sooooo glad I didn't have have to deal with the 50/1.4. Plus no blur from moving around - kids, etc... and it was easier to expose the group and the background correctly.  Even one of those "intimate" shots was better controlled and more in-focus than I'd have gotten with the 50/1.4. This was with the Tamron 17-50/2.8 with flash, etc...  AND - don't forget to shot RAW!!! Good luck! My Gear List
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FuturamaJSP Goldmember  2,227 posts Likes: 82 Joined Oct 2009 More info | Jul 08, 2012 19:22 | #55 The wedding photographers I have met and seen use at least two 5D mk2s while many of them use a combo of 1D and 5D. I mean they do charge quite a lot for shooting those weddings so they have to use high quality equipment to justify the high price. When it comes to wedding photography equipment is just as important as skills if a hobbyist like me can afford fast L lenses why can't the wedding photographers? They asked me how well I understood theoretical physics. I said I had a theoretical degree in physics. They said welcome aboard! - Fallout New Vegas
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Logicus Senior Member 787 posts Likes: 15 Joined Nov 2010 Location: Independence, KY More info | Jul 08, 2012 19:43 | #56 FuturamaJSP wrote in post #14689184 The wedding photographers I have met and seen use at least two 5D mk2s while many of them use a combo of 1D and 5D. I mean they do charge quite a lot for shooting those weddings so they have to use high quality equipment to justify the high price. When it comes to wedding photography equipment is just as important as skills if a hobbyist like me can afford fast L lenses why can't the wedding photographers? I agree that better professional equipment will certainly help a photographer achieve better images because of focus speed, iso performance, lens performance, etc... however if someone can't figure out composition while using a Rebel, they're not going to pick up that skill by buying the 5DIII. I'm sure those wedding photographers didn't show up to their first wedding with a couple of 1DVIs and a backup 5DII at their side with L glass all around. I shot my first wedding with a 40D and an XSi and used an equal number of photos from each camera. At my most recent wedding (pics above), I took the 40d and a 5d2 and the 40d was the workhorse. My Gear List
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