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Jul 08, 2012 03:40 |  #1

Hi,
I was just hoping someone can share some quick information with me.

My old Canon 400D has now stopped working and I had to replace it very quickly. I was sent a write up that the 7D is a good camera for Wildlife and Sports. So I bought one.

Received it and just quickly took some action shots which was mostly all blurred.

As I need the camera to function by Tuesday when we go on vacation (on Safari to Botswana), I am looking for information on how to set the camera up for action shots. Normal stationary pictures are fine.

Looking at some pictures in this forum, some of the sport pictures are crisp and clear without any blurring.

I also read that you can configure the camera in a CS setting, but found fairly big differences in the settings / configuration for these shot to be taken.

I will continue searching this Forum, but if someone can help me out with how to set it up, it will be very much appreciated

Eddie
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Jul 08, 2012 06:18 |  #2

What lenses are you using ?

Have you enabled the "AF expansion" and "Spot AF" types in Custom Function III-6

This article should explain most of it.

http://learn.usa.canon​.com …_news_eos7d_art​icle.shtml (external link)

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Jul 08, 2012 07:17 |  #3

Post a sample picture with the exif (settings used to capture the picture -shutter speed, aperture, ISO)

Also were you in ai servo, one shot or ai focus? For action, you need to be n ai servo. What focus mode? You should be in single point expanded.

Go watch the videos related to the af system and do lots of testing.
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Jul 08, 2012 10:01 |  #4

The 7D auto focus system takes some time learn, but once you understand how to configure it for your needs, it should produce stellar results.

In addition to the tutorial links to Canon already posted in this thread, there are some at B&H photo for the 7D that you can find here (external link).


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Jul 08, 2012 10:17 |  #5

7D is not a beginner oriented camera... it seems to be designed with fairly experienced shooters in mind. It takes some time and effort to learn to use it... and then it can perform quite well.

My best suggestion to get you up and shooting quickly is to keep it really simple...

Use One Shot and AI Servo normally.... One Shot for stationary subjects and AI Servo for moving subjects.

I suggest mostly to use Single Point AF and select the point manually... probably the center point most of the time (though don't hesitate to use any of the others, all 19 are the better dual-axis/cross-type). This leaves you in control of the AF, not leaving it up to the camera to decide where to focus (Expansion Points, Zone Focus, Auto/All Points all leave a lot to the camera, but they have their uses in some specialized situations).

Yes, the first thing to do is go into the Custom Function, to Autofocus/Drive, C.Fn III - 6... and enable all the options there (two or three will already be enabled).

Next go to C.Fn III - 1 and set AI Servo tracking sensitivity one notch toward "slow". This determines how fast the AF jumps from one subject to another... it doesn't slow down AF. With practice using the camera, you might be able to turn it back up. Also, if shooting a subject that changes direction a lot, with few or no obstructions, you might be able to turn it up a notch toward "fast".

I suggest using Single Point, manually selected, most of the time. Probably the center point mostly... but the others are usable and you can navigate to them normally.

Spot Focus might be useful, too. It uses a smaller AF point, for greater precision. It's also a single point, but Canon doesn't recommend using it all the time because it's a bit slower tracking movement. I mostly use it for stationary subjects and One Shot. But, some people use it successfully with AI Servo and moving subjects... It probably depends upon your lens, as well as the ambient condition... light levels, subject contrast and detail.

The times I find Expansion Points and Zone Focus most useful is when there is a single subject against a plain background... for example a bird in flight against a blue or solid overcast sky, or a few distant clouds. If using a long lens relatively close, be sure to set an f-stop that will cover wingtip to wingtip, have plenty of depth of field, so that if the camera chooses to focus on the closest wingtip you won't have the rest of the bird OOF.

Back Button Focus (external link) really helps with action photography and makes it possible to leave the camera in AI Servo all the time (you can use it just like One Shot, except lift pressure off the rear button when focus is achieved if you want to use a focus/recompose method for example). 7D is highly configurable, to set up BBF, for example, you can go into the Custom Function menu, Operation Others, C.Fn IV-1.... change the shutter release button to "metering only" in the half=press position, leave AF-On button at it's default setting. Or you can switch AF-On button function with the */AE Lock button function, if you wish.

Two other things often mistaken for focusing problems....

7D uses a very densely packed sensor... which might make it more susceptible to camera shake, a little more likely to blur an image due to movement. In a white paper Canon recommended using a little higher shutter speeds whenever possible... Using mirror lockup and other stabilizing methods when it's not possible. I just use a stop higher ISO than I was in the habit of using with previous cameras.

Also, 7D uses a strong anti-alias filter, to prevent moire with such a densely packed sensor (it has twice as many pixel sites per square mm as 5DII/III, for example).... So 7D images tend to need more sharpening than images from many earlier cameras. If you shoot JPEGs, dial up in-camera sharpening. If you shoot RAW, dial up sharpening in post-production (unless using Canon DPP and letting the software use the in-camera settings to process images).

Keep it simple, it will take a while to learn a lot of the 7D's modes.

You have to learn to trust the camera... It's very fast focusing and the two I've been using for a couple years now very seldom let me down (still miss a few... but it's hard to say if it's me or the camera in a lot of cases).

Oh, and in One Shot you won't see the AF point blink red Focus Confirmation when focus is achieved (the green LED will light, and if you have it enabled you'll get the audible "beep").... This is because of the transmissive LCD used for focus screen. You can use Autofocus/Drive C.Fn III - 8 VF display illumination set to 1:Enable to turn on a red flash overall, if you want it. (Default is "auto" which will only work under certain conditions).

On 7D and all Canon for that matter, there is no Focus Confirmation in AI Servo (can't be, it's continuously focusing) so this doesn't matter. But a lot of people coming from other cameras are accustomed to seeing the selected AF point(s) blink red momentarily to indication AF start when in AI Servo mode. You won't see that in 7D. The selected AF point(s) are the only ones displayed on the 7D's focus screen. On other cameras, all AF points are displayed all the time. On 7D, only the active one(s), are shown as black boxes. Once accustomed to it, you can tell immediately what mode and selection you have set... just don't expect it to blink at you.

One tool I find very handy is the "on demand" grid in the viewfinder... it really helps me keep my horizons level and vertical objects vertical! To enable the grid in the viewfinder, you need to go into the menu, the second Yellow Wrench tab, it's at the bottom of the list. (There is another grid display choice in the fourth Red Camera menu tab, but that's the one for Live View on the rear LCD monitor).

Finally, coming from a 10MP camera you might be in the habit of viewing your image files at 100% on your computer monitor. If you do the same with 7D, the much larger 18MP images will actually be displayed far larger and you'll be looking at them much more critically. So they might actually appear "worse". Don't expect them to be "better" unless you scale things the same way: Either back off to about 50% when viewing the 7D files, or resize them to the same dimensions of the images from the 10MP camera, if you want to compare.


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Jul 08, 2012 11:14 |  #6

Your 7D should work well out of the box as long as you are using single point focus.

As Alan said don't try looking at 100% if you are used to a lower Mp camera. I made the same mistake when getting the 7D after many years with the 20D.


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Jul 08, 2012 11:32 |  #7

Hi,
I was just hoping someone can share some quick information with me.

My old Canon 400D has now stopped working and I had to replace it very quickly. I was sent a write up that the 7D is a good camera for Wildlife and Sports. So I bought one.

Received it and just quickly took some action shots which was mostly all blurred.

As I need the camera to function by Tuesday when we go on vacation (on Safari to Botswana), I am looking for information on how to set the camera up for action shots. Normal stationary pictures are fine.

Looking at some pictures in this forum, some of the sport pictures are crisp and clear without any blurring.

I also read that you can configure the camera in a CS setting, but found fairly big differences in the settings / configuration for these shot to be taken.

I will continue searching this Forum, but if someone can help me out with how to set it up, it will be very much appreciated

Eddie

The fact that you grabbed some quick shots and they were blurred makes me wonder about your level of camera experience so I would really suggest that you read (or re-read) the camera manual.

Your camera should be functioning properly right out of the box - assuming you purchased a new camera.

Blurring could be caused by many things so it would be best to post an image up with data so we can better help you out.



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Jul 08, 2012 12:09 as a reply to  @ jase1125's post |  #8

Hi,

Thanks for the info.

I use a Sigma 70 - 200mm 2.8 APO

I will look at the links and will see if I can post some pictures.

The pictures which is blurred of our dog running where one bit of a leg is out of focus, so I will look at others as well

Eddie

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Jul 08, 2012 13:16 |  #9

propolis wrote in post #14687672 (external link)
Hi,

Thanks for the info.

I use a Sigma 70 - 200mm 2.8 APO

I will look at the links and will see if I can post some pictures.

The pictures which is blurred of our dog running where one bit of a leg is out of focus, so I will look at others as well

Eddie

:D

Eddie that sounds very much like motion blur due to too slow a shutter speed, to freeze movement you may need shutter speeds above 1/500 or 1/1000 depending on the subject.


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Jul 08, 2012 13:19 as a reply to  @ propolis's post |  #10

Getting razor sharp images on an 18MP APS-c sensor is not easy. There are about 1000 threads on how the 7D is "soft".

Having said that, once you figure out how to increase your chances (or realize that looking at a 7D image at 100% on your computer equates to a HUGE print) and you nail a few good ones, the results can be spectacular.

Too bad to are in a hurry and don't have time to experience the learning curve of this camera.

Read the manual, be conservative with your shutterspeed, expose properly and you will be fine. Keep all the fancy stuff for later.


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Jul 08, 2012 13:41 as a reply to  @ Copidosoma's post |  #11

If you are shooting at 1000 turn off is. It makes a difference for quicker focus. I use tv mode at 1000 and ai servo for flag football and get 90% to 95% keepers.


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Jul 08, 2012 13:53 as a reply to  @ propolis's post |  #12

I need to crank the speed up to 1/1250 or faster to get our dog razor sharp when she in full flight...

OK, she's a whippet and faster than most.


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Jul 08, 2012 14:31 |  #13

Some of the earlier Sigma 70-200's don't focus well with the 7D. Happened to two friends of mine even after they had them re-chipped. Try another lens to be sure.
Good luck!


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Jul 08, 2012 19:28 |  #14

propolis wrote in post #14687672 (external link)
Hi,

Thanks for the info.

I use a Sigma 70 - 200mm 2.8 APO

I will look at the links and will see if I can post some pictures.

The pictures which is blurred of our dog running where one bit of a leg is out of focus, so I will look at others as well

Eddie

:D

I agree with the others, maker sure the shutter speed is fast enough to freeze the action




  
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Aug 21, 2012 10:48 as a reply to  @ watt100's post |  #15

Hi,

Just came back from safari and did not use the 7D, as even just auto pictures of nature had bits not focussed. We bought a small pocket camera, canon and then took the same picture with the 7d.

The small camera had everything in focus and good colour to the image. The 7d picture has some bit blurred, like depth of field was very shallow, e.g. 2 trees about 18 inches behind the first one was out of focus or blurred. On the small camera it was all in focus.

So I think its back to reading and trying the camera more before going on the next safari trip next year

Eddie :)




  
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