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Jul 09, 2012 12:14 |  #1
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To put it bluntly: How exactly does one *use* AI Servo? In One-Shot mode, things make sense. You hover the AF point over what you desire to be in-focus, and you then proceed to take the picture. Servo mode obviously acts much differently.

I know this to be true, because there were a series of pictures in which I had forgotten to switch back to One-Shot mode while a guitarist was standing relatively still on stage, and all three of the images were rather soft at 100%, even though the focus point was placed in an area of contrast. (Actually, the constant switching between One Shot mode and Servo is another pain in the a#% that is well deserving of its *own* thread, but I digress...)

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Jul 09, 2012 12:26 |  #2

Sounds like you've got the technique right...Just a couple of observations:

Were you using the lens wide open...Perhaps stopping down 2/3rds to one stop might help if your shutter speed is sufficient(particularl​y with IS). The added DOF will give you a margin of safety.

Also remember that the AF area is larger than the AF rectangle, so if the camera spies something it likes that is just outside of the rectangle it will somtimes focus on this rather than your main subject.


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Jul 09, 2012 12:27 |  #3

In bright light on a target that is actually moving. The camera is going to assume there is movement on the subject or else why would you be in servo mode? My understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) is if it detects any movement when you press the shutter button it has to predict where the target will be after the mirror moves up and shutter opens so it will actually have the lens keep focusing blind. If the guy is rocking back and forth or whatever the camera will instead interpret that as movement forward or backwards and then predict where he would be if he kept moving in that direction. Also the 70-300 isn't known as the fastest focusing lens out there, so it will have a few more issues in servo mode (not as slow as the 55-250 though, which is basically useless in servo mode).

Switching between the modes isn't that hard, you have a button for it right along the top and you can see your current mode on the top LCD.

Do you have a pic from each mode?


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Jul 09, 2012 12:31 as a reply to  @ Keyan's post |  #4

One other thing: BBF is a great way to easily switch from One-Shot to Servo and back.


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Jul 09, 2012 12:34 |  #5

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After coming back from a local concert, I noticed that some of my shots taken in AI-Servo mode are blurry and soft at 100%.

My shutter speeds were rather high, and image stabilization was turned on (mode 1), so I know my technique must be a fault here.

Unfortunately, I have no idea how to correct myself. To put it bluntly: How exactly does one *use* AI Servo? In One-Shot mode, things make sense. You hover the AF point over what you desire to be in-focus, and you then proceed to take the picture. Servo mode obviously acts much differently.

I know this to be true, because there were a series of pictures in which I had forgotten to switch back to One-Shot mode while a guitarist was standing relatively still on stage, and all three of the images were rather soft at 100%, even though the focus point was placed in an area of contrast. (Actually, the constant switching between One Shot mode and Servo is another pain in the a#% that is well deserving of its *own* thread, but I digress...)

Your thoughts? Suggestions??
(My equipment: 60D, 70-300 IS USM.)

The easiest way for me is to use the back button for focus. That way I can leave the camera in AI Servo and get the best of both worlds. Press and release the button when aimed at the subject to lock focus - hold the button down to track a moving subject. That way there is only one button to worry about, no changing modes back and forth, and exposure can be isolated to the shutter half press.


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Jul 09, 2012 12:34 as a reply to  @ Keyan's post |  #6

Because AI-Servo is a predictive autofocus system is workd best on subjects that are moving in a relatively uniform way. Think bird flying or car moving toward/away from you. If your subject is moving erratically the camera won't be able to accurately predict where it is moving to. Sometimes you will get lucky and it will be correct but others, not so much.


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Jul 09, 2012 12:38 |  #7

Preeb wrote in post #14692290 (external link)
The easiest way for me is to use the back button for focus. That way I can leave the camera in AI Servo and get the best of both worlds. Press and release the button when aimed at the subject to lock focus - hold the button down to track a moving subject. That way there is only one button to worry about, no changing modes back and forth, and exposure can be isolated to the shutter half press.

I would do this...but the times I have someone else use my camera they would get confused and their heads would explode. I guess I could just turn it to green box (AAH) for those times.

If you set BBF, and save the camera settings to the custom spot on the dial, will it only be active there if you set it back, or is it not one of those "sticky" settings like that? I haven't tried it.


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Jul 09, 2012 12:50 |  #8

I use AI Servo nearly all the time... And in order to do that, to have it "act like" One Shot in some situations, I have set up and learned to use Back Button Focusing. That makes a world of difference. I simply never use AF linked to the shutter release button any more... haven't used it in years. I only switch a camera off of BBF if I'm lending it to someone who has never used that technique and isn't familiar with it or seems reluctant to try it. That doesn't happen very often.

If using multiple AF points, you are leaving it up to the camera to decide the point of focus. It will usually choose the closest object that's covered by an AF point.

If you were using a single, pre-selected AF point, check your images in Zoombrowser or on your camera's LCD. I bet that you let that AF point slip off the subject and that's why you lost focus. "Focus and recompose" is a common One Shot technique, that can't be done in AI Servo... unless also using BBF. Once that's set up, you can start and stop AF at will, anytime you wish.

One thing you won't see with AI Servo is Focus Confirmation. That only works in One Shot mode. So you have to learn to really trust yourself and your camera.

Depending upon lens and ambient conditions, any focus mode can take a moment to achieve focus and lock onto the subject. Sometimes shooting too fast causes errors (it also can lead to camera shake, "stabbing" at the shutter release button).

Different types of lighting can fool AF, too. Fluorescent lamps, in particular, can cause problems (with metering too). It actually flickers on and off 60X a second, which our eyes don't see, but our cameras can. Stage lighting might be tricky, too.

AI Servo isn't perfect, either. It might miss occasionally, if you trip the shutter as it's working or if the subject changes direction, or just for mysterious reasons. Some cameras allow you to prioritize focus accuracy over shutter release, which might make for slower shooting, if you demand as accurate as possible focus. But I don't think the 60D has any settings of this sort. Practice using it helps, too.

I do switch occasionally to One Shot... when working with a stationary subject and wanting to insure accurate focus, such as shooting a setup that will produce really shallow depth of field, so wanting Focus Confirmation and all the other help I can get. If I'm really concerned, I'll switch to Live View because it gives the most accurate focus of all, though it's slow.

BBF works fine with other focus modes, too... it's a popular sports/action shooter technique, so probably is most often used with AI Servo... but it's no problem using it with One Shot too, so there's no need to turn it on an off. It becomes second nature to control AF with your thumb, in pretty short order.

Another suggestion... stop your lens down a bit. That creates more depth of field so that some minor focus error is hidden, that might have been a problem if using a lens wide open, with particularly shallow depth of field.

EDIT: I think what rrblint is refering to is that when using BBF, you can treat AI Servo as if it were One Shot. No, it doesn't actually change back and forth between the focus modes. Some of the newer cameras have an assignable button, with one option being to switch between AI Servo and One Shot. Even with cameras that don't have that convenience, you can learn to make the change while keeping your eye to the viewfinder. The more you can change all the camera settings like that, the faster you can adapt the camera to changing situatioins and keep shooting.

Another thing occured to me... Be sure you aren't accidentally using AI Focus. It's not really a focus mode at all... In AI Focus, the camera is supposed to decide whether the subject is moving or not, then switch to the appropriate mode: AI Servo or One Shot. Now, I haven't tried it in years... but the last time I experimented with it, it caused an unacceptible delay that made me miss focus on many more shots (and that was with one of the most sophisticated 45-point AF systems, no less!)


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Jul 09, 2012 12:58 |  #9

rrblint wrote in post #14692269 (external link)
One other thing: BBF is a great way to easily switch from One-Shot to Servo and back.

Huh? I dont know this trick...
Do you set back button focus to One Shot, and hte shutter button to AI?

Sorry for the noob question but I didnt know there was any way of switching modes other than the AF/Drive button...
if so that would be really handy for me(and many others i am sure, but sure most others already know this :o lol)!!

Sorry for going OT OP!

to the OP, I would definitely not use AI servo for an event like a concert/etc...of course I use a 5D2 and its AF is only accurate when using center point and One Shot mode.(IMHO!!not trying to start a debate on the good/bad/ugly of the 5D2's AF system!! :) )...just my 2 cents..


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Jul 09, 2012 13:20 |  #10

'if it detects any movement when you press the shutter button it has to predict where the target will be after the mirror moves up..."

If this is the case, when you lock focus using BBF wouldn't you be dealing with the same thing, that is, the focus actually locking on where it predicts the target is going, not where it is?


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Jul 09, 2012 13:26 |  #11

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Huh? I dont know this trick...
Do you set back button focus to One Shot, and hte shutter button to AI?

Sorry for the noob question but I didnt know there was any way of switching modes other than the AF/Drive button...
if so that would be really handy for me(and many others i am sure, but sure most others already know this :o lol)!!

Sorry for going OT OP!

to the OP, I would definitely not use AI servo for an event like a concert/etc...of course I use a 5D2 and its AF is only accurate when using center point and One Shot mode.(IMHO!!not trying to start a debate on the good/bad/ugly of the 5D2's AF system!! :) )...just my 2 cents..

Set a back button for "Focus Start"...Leave the shutter button for "Exposure Metering"(with or without AE lock, your choice)...Set Focus Mode to AI Servo permanently.

Press AND HOLD back button when you want Servo continuous focusing...Press shutter button to shoot when ready.

Press AND RELEASE back button when you want One-Shot focusing...Press shutter button to shoot when ready.


Only slight downside is that you won't get "Focus Confirmation" beep.


Try it...It works great!


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Jul 09, 2012 13:30 |  #12

tomj wrote in post #14692498 (external link)
'if it detects any movement when you press the shutter button it has to predict where the target will be after the mirror moves up..."

If this is the case, when you lock focus using BBF wouldn't you be dealing with the same thing, that is, the focus actually locking on where it predicts the target is going, not where it is?

Perhaps this is a theoretical concern, but I haven't noticed it in real-world shooting.

Test it for yourself and see what you think...It is working great for me.


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Jul 09, 2012 13:31 as a reply to  @ tomj's post |  #13

Ai servo should have worked, did you use single point focus. My guess is the camera sometimes focused on lighting in background, stuff like that which can be tricky with stage performances. What shutter speed did you get?




  
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Jul 09, 2012 14:56 |  #14

rrblint wrote in post #14692526 (external link)
Set a back button for "Focus Start"...Leave the shutter button for "Exposure Metering"(with or without AE lock, your choice)...Set Focus Mode to AI Servo permanently.

Press AND HOLD back button when you want Servo continuous focusing...Press shutter button to shoot when ready.

Press AND RELEASE back button when you want One-Shot focusing...Press shutter button to shoot when ready.

Only slight downside is that you won't get "Focus Confirmation" beep.

Try it...It works great!

Thanks, Mark!! I will! :)
I use BBF all the time, but never thought to hold the button for servo! brilliant..
love this site. learn something new everyday. :cool:

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Jul 09, 2012 15:09 |  #15

tomj wrote in post #14692498 (external link)
'if it detects any movement when you press the shutter button it has to predict where the target will be after the mirror moves up..."

If this is the case, when you lock focus using BBF wouldn't you be dealing with the same thing, that is, the focus actually locking on where it predicts the target is going, not where it is?

When you let go of the button it stops immediately since it isn't worrying about shutter delay.


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