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7D or 650D ??????

 
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Jul 11, 2012 04:20 |  #1

Hello Everyone,

I am a very very beginner enthusiast. I have never owned a DSLR in my life. Since few months I have been obsessed with the idea to get one.

Have done some research and am confused weather to go for 7D or T4i.

I intend to try General photography(everything really).Wild life, landscapes, night shoots...

Budget is not an issue.

I kind of like the 7D but am worried would I be alright without those ready sceanic mode dials which are availabe on T4i.

Please advise based on your expert opinion.

Thanking you in advance.




  
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Jul 11, 2012 04:31 |  #2

If you're just starting out then I would say the T4i is the way to go... it will give you the specific modes as you say whilst also letting you experiment with aperture/shutter priority when you get more comfortable. The 7d does have a full-auto setting (green box mode) though.

The money you save on not buying the 7d can be put towards some more (and better) lenses, which is arguably the most important thing anyway. Once you get into it more you will know what you want from the camera, and then might be a good time to consider an upgrade (you could always sell the T4i)


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Jul 11, 2012 04:46 |  #3

I agree. I ended up buying the 7D for specific reasons but I've also used the 60D and 600D, and both offered just as much as the 7D in the end. I'm not sure about the new screen on the 650D though.


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Jul 11, 2012 04:52 as a reply to  @ Uncle Flash's post |  #4

Get the 7D...for me the size is much more comfortable and has better control layouts. Get a used one.




  
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Jul 11, 2012 05:11 |  #5

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Get the 7D...for me the size is much more comfortable and has better control layouts. Get a used one.

Half the reasons I bought the 7D.

I also thought the better focusing options, metal body, and 8fps were worth having too. The only thing that keeps bothering me is that underneath all the bells and whistles is the same sensor as my daughter's 600D.

That's the problem these days; they're all good.


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Jul 11, 2012 05:49 as a reply to  @ Uncle Flash's post |  #6

Thanks to all of you guys for your response.

I think I better go for 7D. It will force me to be more independent and use the modes other than those sceanic modes.




  
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Jul 11, 2012 05:51 |  #7

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Thanks to all of you guys for your response.

I think I better go for 7D. It will force me to be more independent and use the modes other than those sceanic modes.

Good call.


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Jul 11, 2012 06:44 |  #8

Enthusiast wrote in post #14700797 (external link)
Thanks to all of you guys for your response.

I think I better go for 7D. It will force me to be more independent and use the modes other than those sceanic modes.

I know I put a vote in for the 650d, but if budget isn't an issue, and you're keen to learn, you won't regret it :)


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Jul 11, 2012 07:05 |  #9

Enthusiast wrote in post #14700797 (external link)
Thanks to all of you guys for your response.

I think I better go for 7D. It will force me to be more independent and use the modes other than those sceanic modes.

I agree. If you get a camera with sceneic modes, they are just crutches. The 7D has full auto mode as well as any camera, that and AV mode are really the only two a beginner will lean on while figuring out their camera. Scenic modes don't make the final picture any different, they just take away the learning process from you (I'm of the "push buttons and see what happens" learning style). If budget isn't an issue, I would pick the 7D for the ergonomics alone. The size is a lot more comfortable (even for small hands like mine), has the back wheel which is very useful (I discovered from switching from the T2i to the 5D3). Sensor wise the 650D and the 7D are the same so you won't see a difference in IQ (which is more about the lenses - a great lens on the 650D will yield better results than a mediocre cheap lens on the 7D).

Depending what you find yourself shooting in the future, you might appreciate the 8fps of the 7D. Its perfect for sports, quickly moving animals for wildlife shots, etc. The 650D has a flippy screen (which I don't care for, but I've heard its useful for video shooters) and a touch screen. Why these two cameras in particular and not say a 60D ? It has the same sensor (correct me if Im wrong) and the same build-type (bulkier) as the 7D - but its like the step between a rebel and the 7D. Less fps, but still a very good camera. The price falls between the two as well. It could be the best of both worlds for you, and leave you some cash for a good lens. But at the specs of the T4i now, I think the only major difference between the two would be just ergonomics. If that doesn't matter to you, then you would save more money by going with the rebel, and then could put it towards a couple good lenses :) People will reccomend the standard kit lenses (18-55 IS and the 55-250), but if you have the extra money you would have spent on a 7D, you could easily pick up a 70-200 f/4 L non-is - a light telephoto lens you would probably like as a walkaround kinda lens.


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Jul 12, 2012 10:34 |  #10

I think it's crazy to get a 7d without knowing your craft. I too could have afforded a 7d, but decided against it, because I don't need a prosumer camera and don't need 8 fps burst.

The 7D will not get you any better pictures than a 650/T2i. It will only give you more options for control of your shots. I have ignored the size and weather sealing. However the 7d is twice the price of the 650.
If you really have your heart set on a 7D and budget is no issue, might as well look at the 5D3.


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Jul 12, 2012 10:58 |  #11

Enthusiast wrote in post #14700667 (external link)
Hello Everyone,

I am a very very beginner enthusiast. I have never owned a DSLR in my life. Since few months I have been obsessed with the idea to get one.

Have done some research and am confused weather to go for 7D or T4i.

I intend to try General photography(everything really).Wild life, landscapes, night shoots...

Budget is not an issue.

I kind of like the 7D but am worried would I be alright without those ready sceanic mode dials which are availabe on T4i.

Please advise based on your expert opinion.

Thanking you in advance.

Based upon the above...

Do not buy the most advanced, pro-oriented, least forgiving crop camera Canon has offered to date: 7D. That would be a mistake.

Could you learn to use it? I don't know... probably. But you might be miserable and frustrated for a while... You should plan on studying some books and online tutorials, perhaps taking a few classes locally... and it depends upon your commitment and willingness to work at getting great images out of the camera. Chances are, you'll be spending a lot of time trying to figure things out and will have paid a lot extra for features you really don't need... especially just starting out.

IMO, you'd be better to buy a 60D if you want a larger model or T4i/T3i if you want smaller and lighter camera. Both of those have more support for a beginner... they also have all the same exposure modes as 7D.

T2i, T3i, T4i, 60D and 7D all use practically the same sensor... so have nearly identical image quality potential. The three Rebel models have a series of more automated modes that will get you to a finished image faster and more easily. 60D has some too. 7D has none. 7D assumes you will take full control of everything from setting up the camera through post-processing the image with Photoshop or similar.

T4i has simlar AF system to 60D (and 50D, 40D). The other two Rebel models have a slightly simpler AF system (similar to 20D, 30D, 5D/5DII). 7D has a much more complex AF system, that works great when it's set up correctly for any given situation... or can be a disaster if set up wrong.

T4i is the first model to be fully compatible with the new STM lenses (though the 40mm "pancake" and new 18-135 are usable on the earlier models)

T4i is the first crop sensro model to use the new Digic V processor. That might effect image quality to some degree, but probably most noticeably speeds up and helps AF. This processor and it's improved AF system are basically what make it the T4i/650D an upgrade over the T3i/600D.

The T4i, T3i and 60D have the articulated LCD screen on the back.

The 60D (and 7D, 5DIII/II, 50D) uses a true pentaprism, while the Rebels all use a "penta-mirror" that makes their viewfiinders slightly less bright, but is lighter and less expensive.

60D uses LP-E6 batteries (same as 7D, 5DII/III). Those give about twice as many shots per charge as the smaller LP-E8 batteries used in the Rebel series cameras.

7D is now nearly a three year old model. Canon is releasing a major firmware upgrade for it soon, so I suspect they are at least a year or more away from releasing a 7D Mark II.

60D is about a 2 year old model. In the past the xxD models got replaced/updated about every 18 months to a year... so I wouldn't be surprised to see a 70D announced any day.

T4i has just been announced within the past month or two. Canon is in the habit of introducing new Rebel/xxxD models yearly.

None of this has anything to do with the various cameras' capabilities... Just that the replacement cycles are what they are, and that effects depreciation and resale value.

If budget is any kind of consideration at all, put your money into lenses first, then into the camera second. Lenses will make a much, much bigger difference to your images than the camera they are used upon... particularly among these 18MP cameras all with virtually the same image quality potential. Lens quality also effect autofocus speed and precision: USM lenses are faster and more accurate, as a rule... and larger aperture lenses provide more light to the camera's AF system, for it to work with.


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Jul 12, 2012 11:26 |  #12

I concur with the last 2 posts. A 7d is not a beginner's camera and is much suited for someone with a higher level of experience and understanding. I think it is gonna easily frustrate you and cause you to not enjoy photography as a beginner.


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Jul 12, 2012 11:28 |  #13

If budget is not an issue, then 7D is what you should get.


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Jul 12, 2012 14:41 |  #14

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Based upon the above...

Do not buy the most advanced, pro-oriented, least forgiving crop camera Canon has offered to date: 7D. That would be a mistake.

Could you learn to use it? I don't know... probably. But you might be miserable and frustrated for a while... You should plan on studying some books and online tutorials, perhaps taking a few classes locally... and it depends upon your commitment and willingness to work at getting great images out of the camera. Chances are, you'll be spending a lot of time trying to figure things out and will have paid a lot extra for features you really don't need... especially just starting out.

This is the best advice of the thread. Enthusiast, if you've never shot any DSLR then the 7d will leave you scratching your head. There are MANY threads on here from people who upgraded their DSLR to a 7d ( as I did ) and are disappointed at the image quality of their shots. It's mostly down to miss-focus from the very complex AF. I'm not saying you, or anybody else isn't capable of learning how to use one, it's just it may spoil your enjoyment of taking pics if they come out fuzzy.
Do yourself a favour. Have a look at the many "post your shots from a 5Dii/7D/T3i etc etc" threads on here and see just how capable these cameras are. You would not be selling yourself short by getting a Rebel series. As you say money isn't an issue, you will see a far better improvement in IQ by spending on quality lens - that is the deal breaker in IQ.
Good luck, and happy shooting :)


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Jul 12, 2012 14:54 as a reply to  @ h14nha's post |  #15

The 60d would probably be your best bet. Then t4I.

The more pro handling of the 60d will hold you over longer than the
T4I. Groom what I have seen in real use the noise handling is very similar.



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