7D or 650D ??????

Buy a used 40D and use your unlimited budget to purchase lenses.

"Good" lenses start at around $500, "Very Good" about $500-$1500, and going up from there the sky is the limit.

If money is no concern, great, go for a 7D or whatever prosumer model you think would suit you, but keep in mind that the lens is the other half of the camera. The more important half in many cases. Don't blow your budget on a high end body and then plunk down next to nothing on a cheap zoom lens and expect super awesome quality in your photos just because your camera body is expensive.

Copidosoma wrote in post #14707700
Buy a used 40D and use your unlimited budget to purchase lenses.

This might actually be the best advice...

However I would say 7D. I do not agree with the other posters about the AF system. The 7D still has Auto and single point(just like the other cameras recommended). Not sure how people are confusing choosing the middle focus point. Grabbing focus. Then re-composing your shot. it is a pretty simple process. In fact it works exactly the same when I had 40Ds.

I now have a pair of 7Ds and a 5Dc. The 7D is an awesome camera and arguable the best deal on the market right now if you are trying to shoot Canon. The biggest and best reason is the UI. There is nothing wrong with the XXXD series from Canon. They take wonderful photos and almost everyone started there...

However the menu system is a pain. It is slow to use. It is much smaller. The dials are much more user friendly on the XXD and XD cameras. For that reason alone I would go 7D. It's a powerhouse camera and can easily be used for years.

My 2 cents.

i was in the same boat as which one to get so i got me the 7d, this is my first true dslr camera and i had no idea what so ever how to even use it, now its been 4 month since i had it i am shooting manual mode and raw, take a look at my images site on my sig you will see anyone can learn how to use a pro line camera like the 7d.

Since money is not a factor, there is no reason not to get a 7D and learn how to use it, but don't buy the kit, just get the body. Then get the EF-S 17-55mm 2.8 lens, and you will have great equipment ready to capture really sharp high quality images.

The 7d is already too advance for many enthusiasts.

For a noobie... guess I'll be waiting for another "Why is my 7d photo not sharp?" post.

delhi wrote in post #14708261
The 7d is already too advance for many enthusiasts.

For a noobie... guess I'll be waiting for another "Why is my 7d photo not sharp?" post.

What is 'too advanced' for single point, user selected, Auto-Focus?

I guess it depends on the OP's aptitude. If they pick things up pretty quickly, they might find themselves feeling limited by the Rebels within 4-6 months and want to upgrade to something more feature-capable than what they have.

If thats not the case, the Rebel series cameras will serve him/herself very well for years to come.

many people do use their 7d on single point focus and do very well.
I just dont see the point of the 7d if that is the way it is being used all the time.

zone, single point w/ expansion and spot focus are all great modes for things and to me
they should be used if someone is going to spend the money for a 7d.

however, as atl said, you can start on single point AF and work up from there.

heck, get the 7d but learn how to post process a bit before you get it.

Well yah it is a 'waste' to not use them but that is what you get with the other option. It's not like you truly are wasting the features since the other option simply does not have it. Start with the same system and you can activate the other options as you learn.

I also agree with amphoto and go for the T4i or 650D here in the uk.
I recently purchased said camera with 18-55 and additional 70-200 f4 usm non is and what a quality lens this is.
Although i have been a casual photogrpaher for 30 years i still consider myself a novice especially with the latest digital technology and am very comfortable with the T4i/650D whereas i'd probably be out of my depth with the 7D.good luck with your decision and enjoy the hobby.

I've had a 7D and I have recently bought a 650D for the wife and TBH the 650D would be the way to go IMHO. The 7D is a very good camera, but it is a bit quirky and can be difficult to master. I had problems with under and over exposure from the same settings from one shot following another. The AF is the best part about the 7D but unless you 'nail it' every time it can produce some very poor shots. With the 7D my keeper rate was down at around 50%, while every other body I've used (550D,60D,5D2,5D3 and 650D) the keeper rate has been at least 80% (the 5D3 rate is over 95%).

The 650D has better ISO handling than the 7D, the touchscreen is excellent and very responsive, the AF system is 9 point but is very accurate, the video capability is second to none,the frame rate is pretty good and the buffer is more than enough for most shoots. Combined with the Digic5 processor and hybrid sensor and a very good build quality overall it's an excellent camera which is easier to use and far more forgiving than the 7D.

Enthusiast wrote in post #14700667
Hello Everyone,

I am a very very beginner enthusiast. I have never owned a DSLR in my life. Since few months I have been obsessed with the idea to get one.

Have done some research and am confused weather to go for 7D or T4i.

I intend to try General photography(everything really).Wild life, landscapes, night shoots...

Budget is not an issue.

I kind of like the 7D but am worried would I be alright without those ready sceanic mode dials which are availabe on T4i.

Please advise based on your expert opinion.

Thanking you in advance.

Ok check this out! If money ain't a issue.
Canon 7D is the best choice!
Simply because if you are really into photography and are willing to learn everything about photography.
About Processing!

Then the 7D is a GO!

But if you just want to take "good fotos" with no worries of processing them within Adobe lightroom or such.

Then the t4i is for you.

I mean dont get me wrong: You can do the same with the t4i that you can do with the 7D in post processing.

All I'm saying is: You sound in my head, like: You are more interested in the cool presets the Canon t4i has to offer.

So yea bud, it's your choice!

If you just want a nice camera to take fotos then the t4i is for you.
If you want to take a deeper, go for the 7D. <<Simply because it's a BEAST!

Enjoy & have fun with it.
Welcome to the World of Photography!

Adding: Don't get nothing USED!
If you have the money for a NEW one. Go for it!
Make a Bang!!!

I started with a 7D in February. I'm also a beginner and I'm so glad of my choice! Great camera with great features and possibilities! My reasons were, great handling in my hands, 8fps (I'm not using it right now but we never know), the construction.
Go for a 7D if you think it's features will serve you. Otherwise, I think the 650D (T4i) is a very good choice too.

Uncle Flash wrote in post #14700735
Half the reasons I bought the 7D.

I also thought the better focusing options, metal body, and 8fps were worth having too. The only thing that keeps bothering me is that underneath all the bells and whistles is the same sensor as my daughter's 600D.

That's the problem these days; they're all good.

I've had a 7D since it came out.

One regret is that I find video next to useless due to poor AF. I have a handicam that focuses immediately on my subject and I expected the same.

I haven't tried a 650D but I was under the impression that video is much closer to handicam simplicity and AF capability.