First UWA?

Yes, and I've found the original KR article. It is a good article for anyone considering UWA:

How to Use Ultra-Wide Lenses

And, here's the quote I was trying to paraphrase above:
"Ultrawide lenses are for getting close and bringing the viewer into the photo, not for fitting a subject into a photo."

RTPVid wrote in post #14712359
Yes, and I've found the original KR article. It is a good article for anyone considering UWA:

How to Use Ultra-Wide Lenses

And, here's the quote I was trying to paraphrase above:
"Ultrawide lenses are for getting close and bringing the viewer into the photo, not for fitting a subject into a photo."

Very good read, I learned alot

amfoto1 wrote in post #14711500
UWA for a crop camera (yours wasn't specified, but must be a cropper if using it with the 18-55) is largely going to be a zoom lens. There are few truly wide primes for crop.

Zooms you can choose among....

- Canon 10-22 (best of the bunch.... and the most expensive)
- Tokina 12-24 (IMO the 2nd best, better built than the Canon, slightly less flare resistant but still good, considerably cheaper than the Canon - though not as wide - less than the Toki 11-16, too... this is the lens I bought)
- Tokina 11-16 (f2.8, but a very narrow range of focal lengths and prone to flare)
- Sigma 10-20/3.5 (a newer model, fairly expensive)
- Sigma 10-20 variable aperture (less expensive, decent build, older version I tested flared quite a bit)
- Sigma 8-16 (widest available, lots of distortion in such a wide lens, not cheap)
- Tamron 10-24 (broadest range of focal lengths, somewhat soft toward the 24mm end)

Sure, you can stitch images together. It's extra work, though.

Tokina 11-16 is the clear winner for me. Borrowed the canon 10-22 for a while but decided my 11-16 is a keeper.

Scooby888 wrote in post #14716890
Tokina 11-16 is the clear winner for me. Borrowed the canon 10-22 for a while but decided my 11-16 is a keeper.

Why?

RTPVid wrote in post #14717945
Why?

I guess it depends what your use is but this is what I found.

Firstly I use mine for weddings and indoor events mainly. Great in low light, built like a tank, quick and accurate focus. Sharp at f2.8, very sharp when stopped f4.

Interchangeable with my 5DII as a 16m f2.8 prime, still sharp.

Cheaper than the Canon, but much harder to get hold of.

The bad, its much heavier and it tends to flair easier than the Canon. You can get use to this and a well placed hand or hat can help stop this.

Canon also has better range, faster zoom, but almost nothing in it.

Summary. If your indoors and want to switch between crop & ff go with the Tokina

If you are sticking to crop and only do outdoor landscapes or people in good light then the Canon.

Hope this helps

I really like the canon 10-22. I couldn't get myself to buy the tokina 12-24 or the sigma 10-20 when I got my canon 10-22 for $550 refurbished through canons website. Back when the tokina use to be $450, I would say that is the clear winner, but at $600, its too close to the price of the canon and 10mm vs 12mm is really a lot. Having the extra 2 mm of width really helps!

The extra millimeters matter. I don't consider 12mm an ultrawide on crop.

Canon's 10-22 in the best of the lot. Buy a used one if you can't swing it new. I caught a bit of sample variation among the copies I tested, but nowhere near what I saw with Sigma. The Digital Picture has rollover samples of all of them.

http://www.the-digital-picture.com …6-DC-HSM-Lens-Review.aspx

The 11-16 and 8-16 are almost like primes. Very specialized, whereas the long end of the 10-22 lends itself for use as a walkaround. The Tokina's speed and fixed aperture shouldn't be a major consideration unless you're primarily shooting video.

KnightRT wrote in post #14719629
The extra millimeters matter. I don't consider 12mm an ultrawide on crop.

Canon's 10-22 in the best of the lot. Buy a used one if you can't swing it new. I caught a bit of sample variation among the copies I tested, but nowhere near what I saw with Sigma. The Digital Picture has rollover samples of all of them.

http://www.the-digital-picture.com …6-DC-HSM-Lens-Review.aspx

The 11-16 and 8-16 are almost like primes. Very specialized, whereas the long end of the 10-22 lends itself for use as a walkaround. The Tokina's speed and fixed aperture shouldn't be a major consideration unless you're primarily shooting video.

The 11-16 is a good lens for video but would strongly suggest thats its best for indoor, low light photos hence my use. Many reviews on the web to agree