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Dec 15, 2005 16:00 |  #1

I'm looking for a fast normal lens for my rebel and am considering the canon ef 24, 28, 35 non-L options , as well as the Sigma 30 1.4. It occurred to me that maybe the way to go is to think of long-term use and go for the 35 1.4 L. If it gave me better quality shots at important family events and would be something I'd continue to use as I grew, it might well be worth it. Is this overkill or a good idea? I'm a fairly new photographer and I consider anything that might help me capture special moments with the kids of my family better. I'm not trying to burn money, just buy wisely.


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Dec 15, 2005 16:05 |  #2

Yes, go to L :-)

You simply can't go wrong with an prime-L, superb optics with first class colour rendering/contrast, built like a tank and some L's are weathersealed (if used on a sealed camera). If price is an issue the 50 f/1.4 is very neat, not L but a fine lens indeed.


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Dec 15, 2005 16:07 |  #3

I have the 35 1.4 and it really does deserve its reputation

I dont know if i deserve it, but i'm glad i have it


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Dec 15, 2005 16:09 |  #4

I'd buy the 35/1.4 if I could afford it.


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Dec 15, 2005 16:24 |  #5

Ditto if I could afford another L.
That 35 is reportedly a great bit of glass.


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Dec 15, 2005 16:30 |  #6

Yeah, I'd have the 24-70mm L if I could afford it :D


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Dec 15, 2005 16:36 as a reply to  @ Davis's post |  #7

My complaint about the L's on the 300D (oh to have such trouble, right?) Is that they really do appear to stress the camera frame, they really do weight a ton. But since I purchased the L's money for a new body is out of the question.

If the 35mm prime is in the weight league of other L's you really will need a grip to better support the body in your hands.


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Dec 15, 2005 16:36 |  #8

Surely you wern't expecting an unbiased response....

Fact, you dont buy current camera gear as an investment, it will lose value quickly.

Camera gear is either a tool or a toy, if it's a tool then your "work" should pay for it i.e. you will earn money with it, if it's a toy then its up to you how much you want to spend on toys.

The only difference between men and boys is the price of their toys.

Here is a snipit from another thread

Lens- - - - - - - Photodo ranking (out of 5)
35mm 1.4 L - - - - - - - - - - - - - 4.0
35mm 2.0 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 3.9

Now thats as impartial as it is possible for me to be.

If you can afford it buy the L, it will probably be cheaper in the long run as you will just lust after it and end up selling the 35 2.0 later. If you cant afford it or there are more pressing needs get the 35 2.0, it's only a stop slower, will be much cheaper, wont be weather sealed (but how often do you take photos in the rain).

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Dec 15, 2005 16:52 |  #9

If I could afford the 35/1.4 L ....

... I'd still continue using my exceptional Sigma 30/1.4 and use the rest of the money as a downpayment on the 85/1.2L :lol:

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Dec 15, 2005 16:53 as a reply to  @ MrChad's post |  #10

MrChad wrote:
My complaint about the L's on the 300D (oh to have such trouble, right?) Is that they really do appear to stress the camera frame, they really do weight a ton. But since I purchased the L's money for a new body is out of the question.

If the 35mm prime is in the weight league of other L's you really will need a grip to better support the body in your hands.

Hi MrChad,

well weight is always an issue, especially when having to carry it any distance.

10-22mm f3.4-4.5 - - - - - 385g
24-70mm f2.8L - - - - - - - 950g
70-200mm f2.8L - - - - - - 1310g
75-300mm IS f4-5.6 - - - - 650g

35mm 1.4L - - - - - - - - - - 580g
35mm 2.0 - - - - - - - - - - - 210g

I wouldn't have thought it would be to much of an issue so long as you keep one hand on the camera and use the other to support the lens.

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Dec 15, 2005 18:07 |  #11

This is a question I've been thinking about as well.

A few months ago I picked up a used 35mm f2 and have come to absolutely love this lens. Before getting it I'd read some reports of it having a noisy focus motor and questionable build quality. What I found when I bought it - yes, the motor is a little noisy but not something that bothers me one bit, focusing is superb (probably my most accurately focusing lens), the field of view (close to a classic 'standard' lens when used with a 1.6 crop camera) is great, pictures are super sharp and the relatively short focal length, combined with the f2, makes indoor low-light pictures a snap - and it's relatively cheap. The small size and light weight make it a joy to use when fitted to your camera. It has become my most used lens, and I'd recommend this any day over the 50mm lenses that are so often mentioned here.

Now I'm toying with the idea of getting the L version - but it's not a clear cut decision.

To get that extra stop, you have to pay five times the price. There are questions about the L's sharpness at f1.4. There is also the problem of increased size and weight. Sharpness from the L and non-L seem close in tests, as shown in the table posted above. Yes, you might also get better colour and contrast -- but these are two things than can be tweaked in photoshop.

On balance, I eventually will probably go for the L - mainly because I can see this focal length becoming my most used and also because I take a lot of low-light indoor portraits. But, if you tend to shoot mostly in reasonable light, it would be a close call. If both were stopped down to 2.8 or 4 I doubt if you would see much difference in actual prints taken with these two lenses.

I would have the same problem with the 85mm lens. There are very good alternatives avaliable -- the 35mm f2 and 85mm f1.8 -- that are really more sensible choices for most people. If you've got the money, sure, go for the L versions. If you really need that extra stop, go for the L (or increase your iso from 100 to 200).

But if, like me, you have a limited budget you will probably get 90 per cent of the quality for 20 per cent of the price by chosing the non-L lenses.

So, my decision. I'll probably go for the 35mm L because I do use that length a lot and can make use of it's low light abilities. Even then, I'll probably keep the f2 version for parties and social occassions because of its small size and weight, and the fact that it is a great preformer. I'll probably stick with the 85mm f1.8, however, because I use this length less and find the non-L perfectly acceptable.

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Dec 15, 2005 19:12 |  #12

My philosophy on purchasing things -- lens or a new toilet seat -- is very simple: Always get the best the first time, as it'd turn out to be cheaper than buying a mediocre product at first and then upgrading it later. Another reason? Never have to entertain the nagging doubt as to "I should have..."



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Dec 15, 2005 19:46 as a reply to  @ SYS's post |  #13

SYS wrote:
My philosophy on purchasing things -- lens or a new toilet seat -- is very simple: Always get the best the first time, as it'd turn out to be cheaper than buying a mediocre product at first and then upgrading it later.

That's a very good philosophy, actually.
However, for me it would lead to a severe limitation of the things I am able to buy, as my funds tend to be quite limited (with the mortgage on the new house to pay and my wife staying at home taking care of our small kids maybe more so than for other forum users :wink: )

So I'd rather have three very good lenses (I refuse to call Sigma's EX line 'mediocre', because they deliver about 90% of the quality of the vaunted Canon 'L's) instead of one exceptional one.

Do search the web, there's a comparison of the Sigma 30/1.4 EX and the Canon 35/1.4L that makes it very hard to find any visible differences in image quality ... don't have the time now to search for it again, but I found it quite convincing. And one lens is 3 times the price of the other.

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Dec 15, 2005 20:14 |  #14

Okay, let me revise my philosophy on consumption: Win a lotto and buy every "L" lens there is.... How's that?

Do they have lotto in Deutchland?

By the way, I didn't mean to call Sigma a "mediocre" lens. My apology... just been stressed out lately with the usual holiday season tasks.... :)



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Dec 15, 2005 20:39 as a reply to  @ SYS's post |  #15

SYS wrote:
My philosophy on purchasing things -- lens or a new toilet seat -- is very simple: Always get the best the first time, as it'd turn out to be cheaper than buying a mediocre product at first and then upgrading it later. Another reason? Never have to entertain the nagging doubt as to "I should have..."

Just have to ask:
Is this why you have 50/1.8 and 70-300? :lol:

Do search the web, there's a comparison of the Sigma 30/1.4 EX and the Canon 35/1.4L that makes it very hard to find any visible differences in image quality ... don't have the time now to search for it again, but I found it quite convincing. And one lens is 3
times the price of the other.

And one lens covers 3x the other.


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