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Turning of AF without the Manual switch on Lens

 
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Jul 19, 2012 18:00 |  #1

Hello.

I was just wondering if there was anyway to disable the AF on the lens but still leave the AF motors enabled.

The end goal for what I need is that I have a Canon T3i but it will be inside of a camera housing for a long period of time in a difficult area to get to. It will be tethered to a PC using custom tethering software my company uses. But I will be shooting a fixed subject so I don't want it to AF but would still like to have the option to focus from within software (like the Canon EOS Utility Live mode focusing). Is there any thing I can use to help focus this camera while having it not AF on any subject?

I have used a Birgir mount for Cmount camera's before and have also come across this http://theeditman.com …fFocusFromCinem​atics.aspx (external link), but it doesn't allow me to be tethered while using it, which would defeat the purpose. I have done loads of research but sometimes these smaller more unique requests are difficult to find. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Jul 19, 2012 18:58 |  #2

so the object wont be moving and the camera wont be moving? Just pre-focus, turn AF off, and your set


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Jul 19, 2012 19:49 as a reply to  @ BLD_007's post |  #3

Well that would be fine normally, but I want to be able to remotely adjust focus, if the camera moves in the housing or if the subject moves at all. The camera will be on a pole, on a cruise line, so it may move and I don't want to climb a pole to adjust focus. I need to be able to have focus controls from the bottom of the pole somehow. I want to not let it AF when capturing an image but still have the ability to change the focus from the bottom of the pole, if that makes sense.




  
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Jul 19, 2012 20:15 |  #4

ThomasRG wrote in post #14741983 (external link)
Well that would be fine normally, but I want to be able to remotely adjust focus, if the camera moves in the housing or if the subject moves at all. The camera will be on a pole, on a cruise line, so it may move and I don't want to climb a pole to adjust focus. I need to be able to have focus controls from the bottom of the pole somehow. I want to not let it AF when capturing an image but still have the ability to change the focus from the bottom of the pole, if that makes sense.

in that case, you need two of these:
http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …II_Transceiver_​Radio.html (external link)


if you half press the button, the camera will focus. if you press all the way, the camera will take a picture.

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Jul 19, 2012 20:54 |  #5

I don't think that's what they want to do. It sounds like the OP wants to be able to remotely manual focus, not remotely activate the AF.


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Jul 19, 2012 21:43 |  #6

if the camera moves in the housing or if the subject moves at all.

If the camera moves in the housing, the focus will only change by the small amount that the camera moved. How much do you suppose that the subject might move? Could the depth of focus at a small f-stop cover it?
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Jul 19, 2012 21:58 |  #7

Servo Motor driving a MF rig meant for video might work. That's essentially what Reuters is doing with remote cameras at the Olympics.

Reuters is actually using servos to change focal length on zooms remotely but the same setup would work with remote focus.


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Jul 19, 2012 22:07 as a reply to  @ FlyingPhotog's post |  #8

Gee, it's a shame you can't just use the EOS Utilities Manual Focus in Live View function...It would be perfect for your application.

Are you sure that you can't somehow incorporate EOS Utilities into your tethering software?


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Jul 20, 2012 11:18 |  #9

PhotosGuy wrote in post #14742408 (external link)
If the camera moves in the housing, the focus will only change by the small amount that the camera moved. How much do you suppose that the subject might move? Could the depth of focus at a small f-stop cover it?
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I don't believe so. I install camera's on roller coasters (Machine Vision) and it will be a similar setup, but not on a roller coaster, and we always get weird/unreliable power, that sometimes shift focus/iris/zoom in an direction.

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Gee, it's a shame you can't just use the EOS Utilities Manual Focus in Live View function...It would be perfect for your application.

Are you sure that you can't somehow incorporate EOS Utilities into your tethering software?

I wish I could, but it only works via the AF and if that AF is on it will focus on every shot, and I need it to not focus on every shot, but to disable that I have to go to MF on lens and that disables the feature on the EOS software.




  
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Jul 20, 2012 11:24 |  #10

FlyingPhotog wrote in post #14742453 (external link)
Servo Motor driving a MF rig meant for video might work. That's essentially what Reuters is doing with remote cameras at the Olympics.

Reuters is actually using servos to change focal length on zooms remotely but the same setup would work with remote focus.

Any idea on where I could acquire a rig like that?




  
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Jul 20, 2012 11:26 |  #11

If you did remote AF, ask yourself...


  1. How do you know that the camera has chosen an appropriate AF zone to use, given the fact that there is likely to be all sorts of other objects in the viewfinder...just how does the camera possibly know what YOU have in mind as the primary subject?!
  2. If you chose a single AF point as the active one, what are the chances that it is on top of the subject location?!

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Jul 20, 2012 11:47 |  #12

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If you did remote AF, ask yourself...


  1. How do you know that the camera has chosen an appropriate AF zone to use, given the fact that there is likely to be all sorts of other objects in the viewfinder...just how does the camera possibly know what YOU have in mind as the primary subject?!
  2. If you chose a single AF point as the active one, what are the chances that it is on top of the subject location?!

I have a tethering software, that I can fire to see a photo and determine what focus is best, also EOS utility has live mode view with a test fire function to see what the focus is focusing on.




  
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Jul 20, 2012 11:54 |  #13

ThomasRG wrote in post #14744883 (external link)
I have a tethering software, that I can fire to see a photo and determine what focus is best, also EOS utility has live mode view with a test fire function to see what the focus is focusing on.

Sure, you can monitor what was focused, but my point was, "How do you CONTROL the AF point selection, rather than be subject to trial and error"?

I just pointed my 40D at a scene with all AF zones active, and (using my back button AF) the camera chose 4 different AF zone combinations during four consecutive presses of the AF button -- and none of them are what I had in mind as the focus point for my 'main subject'!

Using your tethering software on my camera, you would have seen four shots with the wrong AF zone.


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Jul 20, 2012 11:59 |  #14

ThomasRG wrote in post #14744883 (external link)
I have a tethering software, that I can fire to see a photo and determine what focus is best, also EOS utility has live mode view with a test fire function to see what the focus is focusing on.

I'm going to ask one more(seemingly) stupid question: Your software fires the camera; AF and AE are both accomplished simultaneously when fired through the software. Would the button assignation on camera make any difference?

IOW, would shunting AF to a back button(which separates AF and AE on camera to two different button pushes) help in any way?


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Jul 20, 2012 12:05 |  #15

rrblint wrote in post #14744940 (external link)
I'm going to ask one more(seemingly) stupid question: Your software fires the camera; AF and AE are both accomplished simultaneously when fired through the software. Would the button assignation on camera make any difference?

IOW, would shunting AF to a back button(which separates AF and AE on camera to two different button pushes) help in any way?

Can you explain how I would go about this??




  
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