EOS M officially announced

First video says the speedlite comes in the box.

Also it's a pre-production version so don't know if this is exactly what you will get. Could be a firmware update that improves the AF. Who knows.

vipergts831 wrote in post #14758534
Agree on all points. But Ben when have we seen a camera announcement that doesn't get bashed?

I put total blame on the interwebz. Before we had the interwebz and started voicing our own opinions it was much more civil, as we allowed magazines to form our opinions for us!!

Yohan Pamudji wrote in post #14758936
Anyone know how many PDAF points there are? I saw a post claiming only the center AF point is PDAF. I'm hoping that person was sorely mistaken.

All I keep reading is 31 selectable "hybrid" AF points. It's some murky water there.

Based on the preview, it looks like a cool "SLR" camera to have for travel. I want one now

Given the price point, this looks like a nice little camera.

So it looks interesting but without a viewfinder like the NEX-7 or Xpro1 I'm concerned how well using it with the EF/EF-S lenses will be. For me this has always been a critical feature. Holding a camera at arms length with any kind of significant lens is just not doable for me. Even my G11 has a small viewfinder (yes I know it's a crime to call that a viewfinder). I was really hoping to find a replacement for it.

Hogloff wrote in post #14758715
As long as we are comparing this $800 camera to the iPhone, then I guess it is OK. But I want more usability from my camera. I already have an iPhone and find it very hard to take a serious photo with.

For the "serious" photo I would reach for the dslr. This kind of camera I would carry around when I am not looking for a serious shot and just want something light to capture a moment. Everyone has different uses

swldstn wrote in post #14759381
Even my G11 has a small viewfinder (yes I know it's a crime to call that a viewfinder). I was really hoping to find a replacement for it.

Maybe somebody will take advantage of the business opportunity and make one of these to match this camera with the kit prime lens: http://www.ebay.com …-ViewFinder-/220930603275

At the moment I view this camera as a "me too" product. It is a step in the right direction though. Now that Canon has a mirrorless camera I think we will see more coming especially if this camera is successful.

Definitely put me in the "WANT" category, but..... $800 (retail, not street price) plus $200 adapter (again retail, not street) is a chunk of change. The adapter especially puts a bit of a hit on it, because without that I might as well explore one of the other APS-C offerings. I absolutely love the fact that they jammed the APS-C sensor in it, and would rather have the smaller form-factor than a VF (for days that would be horrendous shooting with just the LCD screen I can plan ahead and bring the DSLR), and I think that overall this would be a *great* indoor, low-light, camera. Or low-light street photography, or....

My only question would be, is an $800 camera worth it for that? For me, probably not, at least not right now. Next year when I can scrounge up a dead Canon P&S for their "loyalty" program and buy one off of their refurb site? ABSOLUTELY!

tkbslc wrote in post #14758315
Nikon has FAST performance and AF, though, which is probably more important to the average person that shooting clean ISO 3200. Go try one out next time you walk past the display at target. They really are about as fast as a DSLR in terms of AF and shutter lag.

I've played with them. I did like them in terms of their speed. Had they gone APS-C and had a fast small prime I would have maybe considered one. But f/2.8 and a tiny sensor? Nope. We don't know the AF speed on this camera yet. It could be the next X100 (a total flop thanks to the AF, I owned one) or it could be the next OMD (awesome, I own one of those too)..

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Michael Cheddar wrote in post #14758344
There was a discussion somewhere (if not a few pages back, than on some other forum) that had to do with the M-mount not being able to support a FF sensor. Currently we know that this camera is not for that market, but I find it odd that Canon would completely rule out the possibility of any future model (think 5+ years from now) based on this limitation of the foundation of their new system. Say the market changes and mirrorless cameras are the way to go, why in the world would they make a new mount and system of lenses, only to have to introduce a newer mount?

I read that too. It's a smaller mount than a mount specifically designed for FF, so it's a fact. But here's the thing. If they were to go to a FF version of this, why not just use the EF mount. The lenses exist and it'd make those users happy. Yes the mount would be a tad longer, but they could also make more pancake lenses to give people the option of having smaller lenses, but they'd have a TON of available lenses on launch. Wins in both cases as long as they also make more pancakes for EF IMHO.

Hogloff wrote in post #14758525
You really thinks so. Try doing street photography while composing through the LCD and selecting focus points through the LCD and changing aperatures through the LCD and changing shutter through the LCD...get the point.

By the time you do all that with the touch screen, your subject is long gone.

I think it will be a nice gimmick, but doing everything through the LCD will definately make you miss shots.

first off, not everything is done via the LCD. You want to change the shutter, it's the rear dial in Tv mode. Aperture is the dial in Av mode. The other control is influenced via the EV button (right on the d pad) then the dial. In manual you flip between the two. ISOs? I haven't set the ISO in one of my cameras in ~3 year, auto is that good now. So yeah, for how I shoot, 1 dial is actually enough. Moving AF points is the biggest PITA, but owning an OMD has made me really love touch focus setting if not touch to shoot. Going back to the 5Diii the joystick is a PITA now (with all the points).

so yeah, cliff notes is I've owned enough cameras with similar layouts to know this isn't as big of an issue as some people make it out to be. You can live with 1 dial if the rest of the controls are laid out right. The touch screen makes it VERY easy. Would I like more dials? Sure. But it's certainly not the end of the world. I'm imagining this is very similar to the s100's layout with the added touch screen traded for the lens ring. I'll take that trade to get a body this small.

tried it, still can't AF fast enough to keep up with my kids. The M might suffer the very same fate though, time will tell.

vipergts831 wrote in post #14758534
Agree on all points. But Ben when have we seen a camera announcement that doesn't get bashed?

5Dc? Back then the only complaint was the AF, but it was improved over what was available and back then ~$3k was a steal for FF so people overlooked it.

leejinwen wrote in post #14758806
wait for this or get an olympus EM5?

I have an EM5. I plan on using it until I can easily get one of these (I doubt they'll be hard to find like the X100 and OMD though) and then compare and decide. I like my OMD a lot, but I don't need/use the EVF and I'd like a smaller body. I liked the X100 but it's AF was too slow. If this AFs fast enough with the 22 it could be my ideal small camera...

I like how the EF adaptor has a baby tripod collar on it! I should find a way to rig an M4A1 Tactical Grip to a tripod collar.

msowsun wrote in post #14758083
Once you add a 22mm lens to the EOS M the difference in size is minimal. If you add a 18-55 lens the G1x is smaller.

Yes true..

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Very interesting camera. I'm impressed by the APS-C sensor. The AF speed remains to be seen. I'm not enthusiastic with not having a viewfinder of some sort. I much prefer using the viewfinder to using the real LCD panel (which I have to do on my S-100).

I'll put this new body in the "maybe" column. I'm not sure I'm ready to commit. It has a lot going for it, but I don't know if it's really for me.