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Jul 31, 2012 16:29 |  #16

I don't know why more people don't just clip the BR carabiner into a loop of strap hanging off of a lug. With a 1D or a grip, I have 3 lugs to choose from for usability, and I never have to worry about interference with the bolt hole for other uses. I have never used the screw outside of trying it once when I first got the strap.


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Aug 03, 2012 04:09 |  #17

So your not using the bolt hole with your BR? Do you have any pics to show your setup?


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Aug 03, 2012 04:50 |  #18

takai wrote in post #14792618 (external link)
You need to double back the D-buckle like this:
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How in the world?! My RS-Sport doesn't even give me the option for anything like that ???


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Aug 03, 2012 05:04 |  #19

I use Optech straps as well as the R-strap. So when using the R-strap I remove the shoulder pad from the Optech just leaving the Camera ends of the Optech strap I then feed these through the R-strap and join up (as male female ends on Optech strap) as a safety measure incase the R-Strap camera mount fails.

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Aug 03, 2012 07:11 |  #20

waterrockets wrote in post #14796602 (external link)
I don't know why more people don't just clip the BR carabiner into a loop of strap hanging off of a lug. With a 1D or a grip, I have 3 lugs to choose from for usability, and I never have to worry about interference with the bolt hole for other uses. I have never used the screw outside of trying it once when I first got the strap.

I have a utility loop through the battery grip's lug and this is where my BR straps get attached to... As you pointed out, it frees up the socket for other use

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Aug 03, 2012 07:59 |  #21

bent toe wrote in post #14808223 (external link)
So your not using the bolt hole with your BR? Do you have any pics to show your setup?

I don't see the pic I took a couple years ago in my "stuff" folder on SmugMug... I didfind this though, which is exactly how I have mine set up (though I have it on the grip lug on my 1D, and the shutter lug on the T2i):

Gedanken wrote in post #9851471 (external link)
I was never comfortable with the RS connector because of the possibility of it coming loose. Instead, I just hitched up a figure-8 loop around the left lug and hooked the strap right up to it:

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I haven't tried the Luma Loop yet, but that curved shoulder pad looks like a great idea - I find that the RS' shoulder pad tends to move about too much when I'm walking, especially when I'm using two straps.

I like this too:

SMP_Homer wrote in post #14808551 (external link)
I have a utility loop through the battery grip's lug and this is where my BR straps get attached to... As you pointed out, it frees up the socket for other use

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That's really cool, I hadn't seen utility loops before.


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Aug 03, 2012 08:25 |  #22

A Canon advantage over Nikon...my grip on my Nikon d300s should have this feature, but doesn't.

I don't like the modified 'biner on the BR strap. If the weld is bad and breaks...why am I concerned? Many years of hoisting experience (large cranes hired; hoisting requires no welds in tension, and a substantial factor of safety in design. The 'biner has a joint in tension, and I should not have bought the strap.) The Black Rapid strap is the most comfortable strap I've used, and I'll find a way to replace the 'biner.


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Aug 03, 2012 08:48 |  #23

2mnycars wrote in post #14808765 (external link)
A Canon advantage over Nikon...my grip on my Nikon d300s should have this feature, but doesn't.

I don't like the modified 'biner on the BR strap. If the weld is bad and breaks...why am I concerned? Many years of hoisting experience (large cranes hired; hoisting requires no welds in tension, and a substantial factor of safety in design. The 'biner has a joint in tension, and I should not have bought the strap.) The Black Rapid strap is the most comfortable strap I've used, and I'll find a way to replace the 'biner.

One idea to secure it for you: run a short length of strap through the carabiner and around your strap or through the rectangle bit adjacent to the carabiner.

Regarding the failure risk, what about my handle bars in a welded stem? Tension, compression, bending, sheer forces, through 1000s of cycles on every ride. In a sprint, I put over 100 lbs of up force on one side of the handle bar with every pedal stroke at 120 rpm. Cargo on that rig is much more important to me than cameras.

I'm not denying your safety knowledge with cranes, but I can't find a case where a BR strap has failed in this way. There are a LOT of them in use.


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Aug 03, 2012 10:14 |  #24

waterrockets wrote in post #14808834 (external link)
One idea to secure it for you: run a short length of strap through the carabiner and around your strap or through the rectangle bit adjacent to the carabiner.

Regarding the failure risk, what about my handle bars in a welded stem? Tension, compression, bending, sheer forces, through 1000s of cycles on every ride. In a sprint, I put over 100 lbs of up force on one side of the handle bar with every pedal stroke at 120 rpm. Cargo on that rig is much more important to me than cameras.

I'm not denying your safety knowledge with cranes, but I can't find a case where a BR strap has failed in this way. There are a LOT of them in use.

I had a stem fail that way on a brand new mountain bike. A Gary Fisher Bike, years ago. Stuff happens.

Point I'm making is that you can't see within the metal joint; I'm not making anyone wrong, but me. I should have reviewed it before I paid $70 for the strap. It is the most comfortable strap I've used. It actually helps me work better. I was on the verge of getting the upgraded connector from LumaL for their strap when they pulled their sling from the market.

I like everything about the BR strap except for the modified 'biner.

A member here posted showing how his 'biner failed at the open end....here's a link.
https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1129710

I believe that BR helped him out...


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Aug 03, 2012 11:34 |  #25

I understand what you're saying about the welds and the risk. I just don't see a failure likely on BR straps. Your Gary Fisher failure was a lapse in quality, not a design flaw, and BR carabiners haven't shown themselves to have a failure-inducing weld design flaw either.

A loop strap will fix you right up with redundancy though.


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Aug 03, 2012 12:14 |  #26

That's right--lapse in quality=bad weld on the stem; it was cracked all around the weld. I did notice it before I was in harms way. However, I had paid enough for the Gary Fisher bike that it should have stood up to regular use.

Here's a fitting that is so simple, from Sun Sniper. However, I don't like their connector (attached to the tripod socket) nearly as much as the BR strap.

http://www.sun-sniper.com/en/the-steel.html (external link)

I'm going to spend some time at the OpTech site and see what they have to offer.
Again--don't want to make anyone else wrong. Just my choices...

meantime here's another connector for the tripod socket on dslr's. Advantage? Gets the conventional strap completely off the camera body lugs. probably works best for live-view.

http://www.customslr.c​om/products/c-loop (external link)

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http://www.customslr.c​om/products/camera-split-strap (external link)


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Aug 03, 2012 14:32 |  #27

2mnycars wrote in post #14809721 (external link)
That's right--lapse in quality=bad weld on the stem; it was cracked all around the weld. I did notice it before I was in harms way. However, I had paid enough for the Gary Fisher bike that it should have stood up to regular use.

I'm glad the weld talked to you before it dumped you off the bike!

2mnycars wrote in post #14809721 (external link)
Here's a fitting that is so simple, from Sun Sniper. However, I don't like their connector (attached to the tripod socket) nearly as much as the BR strap.

http://www.sun-sniper.com/en/the-steel.html (external link)

A fitting like that worries me because I can't see how that bent wire is attached inside. It can't be too deep in there or they wouldn't be able to assemble it.

2mnycars wrote in post #14809721 (external link)
I'm going to spend some time at the OpTech site and see what they have to offer.
Again--don't want to make anyone else wrong. Just my choices...

meantime here's another connector for the tripod socket on dslr's. Advantage? Gets the conventional strap completely off the camera body lugs. probably works best for live-view.

http://www.customslr.c​om/products/c-loop (external link)

more:
http://www.customslr.c​om/products/camera-split-strap (external link)

That split strap is a cool idea. I've been ok with the BR on long carries, but that was before I got the 1D... we'll see how it goes.


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Aug 03, 2012 14:42 |  #28

I have more handling problems now than I used to....when I had my photo store, I bought a large camera bag with left-over room. ;)
Now, because we've had small cars for years, I buy a just-big-enough-bag and as soon as I add <anything> I've run out of space.
So...a large strap leaves me wondering.

I used a Domke gripper strap for maybe 20 years. It doesn't take up much room. The split strap would take up quite a bit more. I found a compromise strap in the meantime. It's a Tamrac. Has disconnects (not a feature I need.) Has a suede pad. The pad simply doesn't slip off! It works as well as my UpStrap, and it's more comfortable.

http://www.henrys.com …ER-DIGITAL-STRAP-BLK.aspx (external link)


A pet peeve is having to hold on to a camera strap with one hand to make sure it stays on my shoulder. It's particularly bad here where at least 3 seasons out of the year I have to wear waterproof clothing. Like goretex...or some miracle nylon with a teflon coating. Something about teflon isn't good for stability of gear. ;)

I worked a long, long time with 2 slr's with motor drives and fast glass hanging off my shoulders, putting food on the table. Tired of carrying weight like that. Old habits die hard.


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Aug 03, 2012 14:47 |  #29

Strange how many of these threads there have been lately. Here's my setup I referenced earlier:

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Obviously, the Arca stuff isn't critical.

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Aug 03, 2012 15:26 |  #30

M635_Guy wrote in post #14810289 (external link)
Here's my setup I referenced earlier:

That will be me as soon as my RRS stuff ships. I'll practically weld the screw into the clamp so I won't worry about that connection...


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