Yongnuo YN-622C Controller Trigger

CliveyBoy wrote in post #15767131
I will improve TOYUG where it says
· 622 settings are saved automatically, including channel, lighting group, flash firing mode and AF-assist firing. Some E-TTL parameters will not be saved, e.g. group fire ratio.

Most settings are saved, but not
> E-TTL group firing ratio value or C's FEC (but Manual group outputs are)
> Zoom setting
> Will check other settings.

Annoying, but how it is!

Added: Most of the values used by the flash control menus are read from, and stored in, the on-top flash (e.g. YN-622C). That's why you get a message if there is no recognised flash mounted. If there is not a value in the right spot, default values are used. It's also why the settings change, depending on which 622 is mounted.

Thank you for the explanation. Just to clarify, what you explained as "zoom Lock" in the document (very useful by the way, thanks) doesn't work here, right?

photoby wrote in post #15767601
Thank you for the explanation. Just to clarify, what you explained as "zoom Lock" in the document (very useful by the way, thanks) doesn't work here, right?

Zoom Lock on a receiver applies just to its mounted flash. It is a modification to the normal Canon zoom settings, blocking the flash from reacting to the camera's zoom instructions.

An on-top flash does not respond to the flash control menu's zoom setting, regardless of whether the 622 was previously set off-camera to zoom lock on or off. The on-top flash acts as if zoom lock has been set.

However, a locked zoom can be set to Auto to follow the lens.

CliveyBoy wrote in post #15767667
Zoom Lock on a receiver applies just to its mounted flash. It is a modification to the normal Canon zoom settings, blocking the flash from reacting to the camera's zoom instructions.

An on-top flash does not respond to the flash control menu's zoom setting, regardless of whether the 622 was previously set off-camera to zoom lock on or off. The on-top flash acts as if zoom lock has been set.

However, a locked zoom can be set to Auto to follow the lens.

I see, thank you...

rick03 wrote in post #15763872
I have tested a couple of AB strobes, the Mettle 600AD, and a 300W cowboy studios flash

http://www.amazon.com …8-7&keywords=strobe+flas​h

http://www.amazon.com …-19&keywords=strobe+fla​sh

I have synced at 1/8000 with all of them

I can't do it on my AB1600 & 5DII. Please explain again what you are doing. I watched your video. It looks like the PC connection on the transmitter goes directly to the strobe's 3.5mm input. My camera is set to M mode with the HSS set on the camera's flash control. I get black frames. Varying power level on the strobe doesn't help.

24Peter wrote in post #15770700
I can't do it on my AB1600 & 5DII. Please explain again what you are doing. I watched your video. It looks like the PC connection on the transmitter goes directly to the strobe's 3.5mm input. My camera is set to M mode with the HSS set on the camera's flash control. I get black frames. Varying power level on the strobe doesn't help.

Remember that the sync port on the YN-622 is capable of providing an FP-sync trigger when a Canon camera is set for HSS. When the camera is set this way it sends an early sync signal that is intended to tell the Canon Speedlite to begin its rapid cycling to provide a flat, continuous light source for the duration of the shutter travel.

There are a number of strobes, apparently including the Mettle, that are designed to provide a similar rapid cycling to provide a continuous light source when the camera is in FP-sync mode. Normally the strobes have to be manually set to the special sync configuration.

dmward wrote in post #15770950
Remember that the sync port on the YN-622 is capable of providing an FP-sync trigger when a Canon camera is set for HSS. When the camera is set this way it sends an early sync signal that is intended to tell the Canon Speedlite to begin its rapid cycling to provide a flat, continuous light source for the duration of the shutter travel.

There are a number of strobes, apparently including the Mettle, that are designed to provide a similar rapid cycling to provide a continuous light source when the camera is in FP-sync mode. Normally the strobes have to be manually set to the special sync configuration.

I've read reports from users here and elsewhere on the ability of the Mettle's to do Hyper Super Sync, but Rick mentioned he also got Hyper Super Sync with an AB strobe. I am not getting that so wanted to some clarification on how he was testing.

Rick, in the quote, did not say "supersync". As a new 622 user, he may need to improve his grasp of terminology and what the words stand for.

Reports that I received indicated that the AB1600 could provide useful light, at least at some points in the over-x-sync range. But it does have a short burn time, and is probably marginal. Perhaps useful for augmenting ambient.

Strobes should be connected by a pc-sync cable to any 622. (Not to the camera's pc-sync port.) Peter, try a mid-range shot (1/1000th, full power) and see what gradient you observe. Or are you just concerned about the term HSS and the AB?

CliveyBoy wrote in post #15771106
Rick, in the quote, did not say "supersync". As a new 622 user, he may need to improve his grasp of terminology and what the words stand for.

Reports that I received indicated that the AB1600 could provide useful light, at least at some points in the over-x-sync range. But it does have a short burn time, and is probably marginal. Perhaps useful for augmenting ambient.

Strobes should be connected by a pc-sync cable to any 622. (Not to the camera's pc-sync port.) Peter, try a mid-range shot (1/1000th, full power) and see what gradient you observe. Or are you just concerned about the term HSS and the AB?

As I said, I am new to photography. But my understanding of HSS is that it is simply canon's special name for super sync. Just like canon lens' have IS, but tamron lens' have VC. They both do the same thing, just named differently.

I personally own the 2 strobes I linked in my post. I tried it on 2 AB strobes at my friend's studio because he didn't believe me(not sure of the models).

One difference, is that you are using a mk II, and I am using a mk III ?? Don't know much about this, so not sure if that could be the issue.

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rick03 wrote in post #15771281
As I said, I am new to photography. But my understanding of HSS is that it is simply canon's special name for super sync. Just like canon lens' have IS, but tamron lens' have VC. They both do the same thing, just named differently.

Not so, Rick.

HSS is a patented technology for producing what Canon calls "flat light" (as distinct from the usual peak and tail envelope of a Xenon tube). It was, IIRC, an Olympus patent. It requires a sine wave (Canon uses 10KHz) to be generated by the flash's electronics, to keep the Xenon tube excited.

What you are using is the peak and tail of the standard flash, starting before the shutter opens. Hypersync in Pocket Wizard terms; Supersync in Yongnuo terms. Even then, Hypersync is more advanced than Supersync.

You should read some of the stickies for this forum to get a correct understanding or what is involved.

Getting from A to B may use walking, horse, car, train, plane. They do the same job, but planes do not respond to "whoa".

Robert Welch wrote in post #15765611
Please see my comments above about it not being a controlled 'test' situation. It's like somehow everything will work when you test it, but leave it alone awhile as you wait for the action to begin, and then try to use it...see if everything works as it should. That's what I'm wondering, is if you can setup the 622s, make sure everything fires, then after awhile of waiting just try to use them...maybe they will work, maybe not. I've turned the power saving feature off on the flashes, there isn't one in the 622 units themselves, are there?

Hi Robert,

I'm still trying to replicate your problem, and I'm unsuccessful. I have a 540ez and a 430exII hooked up to the YN622's, and they fire perfectly, even outside, even after I let everything alone for 5 minutes and put them into sleep mode. What flashes are you using? I've see a couple posts where the YN622 may not be waking up older Yongnuo ettl flashes.

( I did have a yn622 have a battery death.. stroboscopic mode anyone? Pretty funny!)

ksbal wrote in post #15772685
Hi Robert,

I'm still trying to replicate your problem, and I'm unsuccessful. I have a 540ez and a 430exII hooked up to the YN622's, and they fire perfectly, even outside, even after I let everything alone for 5 minutes and put them into sleep mode. What flashes are you using? I've see a couple posts where the YN622 may not be waking up older Yongnuo ettl flashes.

( I did have a yn622 have a battery death.. stroboscopic mode anyone? Pretty funny!)

Ksbal,

I'm using new YN568 flashes off-camera, and either a 580ex or 580exII on-camera (mounted on top of 622). I have the 568 flashes with the sleep mode turned off, they should not be going to sleep, so I don't think that's the problem.

I'll try to play with them some more, maybe I need to slow down, and press half way first, etc. Maybe it's something in how I'm using them.

I'm certainly still having a problem with occasional over exposed images with the on-camera flash set to eTTL. I've been contemplating getting some 603 units and see if they work better, but I don't like the fact they don't have a clamp down on the shoe mount, I'm afraid they would come off the light stand too easily. Otherwise, those would probably be more useable for me, since I don't really seem to ever use the off-camera flashes in anything but manual mode, it's just the on-camera I like to be able to use in eTTL.

Robert Welch wrote in post #15772778
I've been contemplating getting some 603 units and see if they work better, but I don't like the fact they don't have a clamp down on the shoe mount, I'm afraid they would come off the light stand too easily.

One man's solution:

https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1142694

Has anyone here successfully used these to hypersync with alien bees b1600's?

CliveyBoy wrote in post #15771331
Not so, Rick.

HSS is a patented technology for producing what Canon calls "flat light" (as distinct from the usual peak and tail envelope of a Xenon tube). It was, IIRC, an Olympus patent. It requires a sine wave (Canon uses 10KHz) to be generated by the flash's electronics, to keep the Xenon tube excited.

What you are using is the peak and tail of the standard flash, starting before the shutter opens. Hypersync in Pocket Wizard terms; Supersync in Yongnuo terms. Even then, Hypersync is more advanced than Supersync.

You should read some of the stickies for this forum to get a correct understanding or what is involved.

Getting from A to B may use walking, horse, car, train, plane. They do the same job, but planes do not respond to "whoa".

i looked at your sig and you have the YN568EX.... can i ask something off the YN622C guys? I just wanna ask if the 568EX can do OCF while on HSS using the YN622C trigger?

for those who knows, please chime in. i need at least one OCF HSS flash but not the 580EX, too expensive.

thanks.