Yongnuo YN-622C Controller Trigger

Jmaher - You would need to go to Wirelss Func. - Enable.

You can see some screenshots from the manual in my review here -

http://www.flickr.com …iscuss/72157631​348234978/

Its not going to work though unless you have MK II flashes attached. See my comment above regarding the 550's and setting a ratio.

You don't know what you can't see until you can see it!

The first sentence - mount an 580EX II or new 600EX ("Master"-capable and controllable) Speedlte. (If you had a YN-622, that imitates a Master also.)

The camera ID's the flash, and shows/enables menus that you cannot see otherwise. I would expect pages 107 on to show in detail all of the menus which can be displayed. You would use the External Speedlite Control menu - Flash function settings. (The Custom Function settings are largely disabled. The 622 does in fact disable some menus where their use would compromise the 622 system.)

Your menus are different to my 2008 50D, but I would expect that if you were to scroll down one more line, as I do, you would see another menu item "Wireless Set" When enabled, that throws up a whole new page of settings, which is where the ratios and Manual levels can be set, depending on the mode etc set in the first page. It's all interactive, and a good way to see how Canon has worked the system.

For other readers with the 600EX-RT, there is another key menu which must be set to Optical Pulse transmission, not Radio transmission.

CliveyBoy wrote in post #14943097
Canon cameras with flash control menus can control only flashes that have the necessary electronics to be controlled. They cannot be re-manufactured by a trigger.

I can set the manual power for the 270EX from the camera when it's on the hot shoe. I was hoping this info would be transmitted by the 622. The 622 specs say it support remote manual, but they only list the 270EX II.

What I'll probably do now is spend my money on a better flash (YN-565EX) and buy the 622 later.

elv,

Thanks - my email response crossed with yours last night. I appreciate the info and now understand how I can use the individual controls on the flash to enable FEC locally.

Jim

Clive,

I mounted a number of flash units, including a 550 a 220 and an ST-E2 to the camera and the menus stayed the same. None of these are EXII units and that may make the difference. With these mounted, or with no flash, I do not see a menu item past Flash Firing (Enable or Disable) and no amount of scrolling will go any further.

The 5D2 manual stops its discussion of flash systems at page 106. There appears to be nothing in the 5D2 manual about Wireless Set. I have attached a copy of page 107 for you to see this.

I now understand that I can use the 550's and set up FEC manually on each flash. What am still unclear about is will the 5D2 reveal new menus items if a EXII flash is installed on the camera? Will the Wireless Set screen then appear?

jmaher wrote in post #14945586
What am still unclear about is will the 5D2 reveal new menus items if a EXII flash is installed on the camera? Will the Wireless Set screen then appear?Jim

Yes.

With the 40D and another model, and the 580EXII and 430EXII Speedlites, Canon introduced camera menus that could control flashes that were built to be controlled. The camera can recognise these capabilities, and display menus appropriately.

Previously, the 550EX could be controlled to some extent using the camera buttons, and now, matching menu items will be enabled, and the flash controlled from the camera - in ETTL/FEC mode, etc. (50D/550EX enables menus flash exp. comp. and E-TTL II mode selection.) Prior to the menus, turning on ratios on the 550EX as Master meant stepping through arcane cycling displays. With the 622, the camera menus are enabled (and verbose) and the transmitter acts as the Master.

jmaher wrote in post #14945586
I now understand that I can use the 550's and set up FEC manually on each flash.

Yes.

If you use the YN-622 in E-TTL, you can set a global FEC, but not a ratio between two flash groups, or a ratio and a 3rd group on FEC. You can set independent FECs on the flash which will then add into the global FEC. Then you can switch the 622 over to "Mix" mode (a YN clever add-on) and mix manual and ETTL modes.

Or, the 550 can be connected to a 622 by PC-sync cable and set on-flash manually, for just a sync signal.

Jim, I see the key question as standard Canon control using YN-622s versus 3rd-party control like the Odin offers. They offer slightly differing sets of capabilities. What suits your styles and locations?

Jim, just checked.

50D + 622 in Remote Control mode, ETTL. 0 FEC
550EX on 622, on-flash -1 FEC
550EX on 622, on-flash +1 FEC

Lighting two sides of a box showed the 2-stop expected exposure range. Then applied menu FEC, -2 then +2. Overall exposure changed as expected, but ratio remained constant. Very neat.

The result will not necessarily be the same as the Canon Ratio would provide.

CliveyBoy wrote in post #14943048
It's not wise to get up at 3am and post... I left off the high-speed qualififier in the post above.

I have only Canon HSS-capable flashes. YN identifies them and handles them appropriately. Based on what we have been given, yes, both "ports" work in tandem.

The camera's mechanical shutter provides signals like "I'm about to start opening", "fully open" and "I'm about to close". This is the basis of all flash timings. trigger devices intercept the camera processor's data flow through the hotshoe and do their own thing. The sync/Fire! signal usually over-rides everything else ("coming, ready or not") even if the add-on system has not got itself sorted. Hence, some mis-fires with the Pixel Kings.

The 622 processor controls all data flow and signals on its hotshoe, even though some are handled as "proxy" camera signals. (eg "repeater" signals for flash LCD display of camera flash settings. The centre Fire! pin apparently is not heavily buffered, hence the 6-12v safe voltage. The PC-sync port is heavily buffered at 300v, and is driven by the 622 in response to the same camera's Fire! instruction.

Typically, if the PC-sync output device is blown up by testing/stupidity, as I have done, the hot shoe will still work. Splitting a sync cable to drive two off-shoe flashes likely increases the risk to the PC-sync port.

I have connected a 550EX by cable and adapter shoe, and controlled a 430EXII on the 622 shoe, in HSS - works fine at a suitable high shutter speed.

I understand that the camera must be in HSS mode to issue the one pre-sync signal used for both HSS "flat light" and Supersync firing.

Remote control and Supersync co-exist.

THANKS!

Setup: 7D with YN-622 on hot shoe / 3 YN-622's with YN-565 EX's on reciever's hot shoe

I have a question about using using mixed mode.

With regards to the Group C flash (YN-565 EX) that will be se to manual...
1. Do you set the flash to manual, adjust power, adjust zoom first, and THEN put the reciever into Mixed mode?

I ask because I did that as the user manual suggests, but once I enter mixed mode, even the manual flashes display ETTL with + or - FEC on the LCD.

So is it really in manual mode with MY power and zoom settings and just SHOWING me ETTL info, or is it really in ETTL and I'm doing something wrong?

If I enter mixed mode on the receiver 1st, and try to set the flash to manual or multi 2nd, I cant even change the mode on the flash at all.

Sorry if this sounds confusing.

Thanks in advance.
Any help will be appreciated.

KNUCKLE SANDWICHES wrote in post #14945978
Setup: 7D with YN-622 on hot shoe / 3 YN-622's with YN-565 EX's on reciever's hot shoe

I have a question about using using mixed mode.

With regards to the Group C flash (YN-565 EX) that will be se to manual...
1. Do you set the flash to manual, adjust power, adjust zoom first, and THEN put the reciever into Mixed mode?

I ask because I did that as the user manual suggests, but once I enter mixed mode, even the manual flashes display ETTL with + or - FEC on the LCD.

So is it really in manual mode with MY power and zoom settings and just SHOWING me ETTL info, or is it really in ETTL and I'm doing something wrong?

If I enter mixed mode on the receiver 1st, and try to set the flash to manual or multi 2nd, I cant even change the mode on the flash at all.

Sorry if this sounds confusing.

Thanks in advance.
Any help will be appreciated.

Mix mode should be set on the transmitter rather than the receiver. If you enable mix mode of the receiver, it's another feature, m-zoom lock (don't sync the flash's zoom to the transmitter).

Did anybody else get the email that Radio Popper dropped the price? I will bet it is in response to these and the other new TTL transmitters.

Mark1 wrote in post #14946162
Did anybody else get the email that Radio Popper dropped the price?

Frankly I'm surprised they're still in business.

lianggc wrote in post #14946140
Mix mode should be set on the transmitter rather than the receiver. If you enable mix mode of the receiver, it's another feature, m-zoom lock (don't sync the flash's zoom to the transmitter).

lianggc,
Makes perfect sense now!
Thanks!!

Heard a rumour that Lencarta are releasing a trigger (Nikon only for now something to do with the CLS system )Canon shortly) that will trigger any light to 1/8000th and not the HSS way. The next few months should be very exciting in the trigger market.

I will try and post some details.

Clive,

Thanks for the update. It looks like I need to buy a pair and try them out.

Jim

**Quick edit - I now have one on order!