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Sep 14, 2012 15:53 |  #436

Bonbridge wrote in post #14991102 (external link)
I am thinking about getting a few of those triggers and get 2 YN568EX speedlights which has HSS.
So you can see this like a budget 600EX setup?
You can control everything from your camera including ETTL and HSS?

Just a confirm before I click the buy button.

600EX-RT does other things but using YN-622s and ETTL capable flashes that are supported by the YNs and Canon camera is a useful solution. Just keep in mind that moving to HSS significantly diminishes speedlite output. Getting one stop more shutter speed could require 3 times the speedlites. i.e. from 1 to 4.


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Sep 14, 2012 16:05 |  #437

CliveyBoy wrote in post #14991438 (external link)
Not so. It is 1st curtain, 2nd curtain or "fast-shutter" pre-sync. The Kings and the 622s are like this.

The 622 tries to use the 4 extra pins to identify the nature of the mounted beast, and handle it accordingly. It cannot do that with a flash connected by the two-wire PC-sync cable.

Many thanks to Clive for the detailed comments ..
This information I needed to fully understand the process. in YN-622C.
With the rest of it was clear.


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Sep 14, 2012 16:09 |  #438

Looking for info on the YN-560 II. Now I know the yn-560 you can't adjust power from in camera does any one know if this changed with the yn-560 II?


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Sep 14, 2012 16:36 |  #439

622 with 568 video here : http://www.youtube.com …3bAZRCDg&featur​e=youtu.be (external link)


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Sep 14, 2012 17:05 |  #440

btmlinedan wrote in post #14992091 (external link)
622 with 568 video here : http://www.youtube.com …3bAZRCDg&featur​e=youtu.be (external link)

To my regret, I do not know much English, but you speak very quickly :)
Could you share your comments here?


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Sep 14, 2012 18:02 |  #441

squall1977 wrote in post #14991989 (external link)
Looking for info on the YN-560 II. Now I know the yn-560 you can't adjust power from in camera does any one know if this changed with the yn-560 II?

If there is only one pin in the center of the flash foot, then definitely not.
If there are more pins then its possible, but I still doubt it.


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Sep 14, 2012 18:09 |  #442

btmlinedan wrote in post #14992091 (external link)
622 with 568 video here : http://www.youtube.com …3bAZRCDg&featur​e=youtu.be (external link)

Dan, you're awesome.. Great video. You should be the companies spokesman!!

Nice job!!


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Sep 14, 2012 18:09 |  #443

CliveyBoy wrote in post #14991534 (external link)
1. Canon shutters (mostly) work up and down. The sequence is:
Both curtains closed over the sensor.
Second curtain drops.
First curtain goes up.
Sensor is fully exposed and sync signal sent; flash fires.
At end of exposure, second curtain goes up. Sensor covered.
First curtain drops. Sensor double-covered ready for next shot.

2. Compromise! The camera does not know what device is connected by two wire, or its characteristics. The light output varies greatly during the burn (think half a tadpole shape), so the lighting is going to be uneven and show somewhere.

3. The camera produces an "I'm about to open" signal for HSS. HSS is what Canon calls "flat light", and can be generated by electronics in the flash. No electronics - no HSS. This signal is also used by Supersync.

Thanks Clive I'm beginning to understand it now - much appreciated


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Sep 14, 2012 18:18 |  #444

dmward wrote in post #14991879 (external link)
How is sync speed determined for a Canon camera? It is the fastest shutter speed where the first curtain completely clears the sensor before the second curtain starts to cover the shutter ending the exposure. For all shutter speeds greater than sync speed the exposure is accomplished by a slit between the two shutter curtains traveling across the sensor plane. As the shutter speed gets faster the slit gets narrower. This approach is required because there is a maximum speed at which the curtains can travel. The exact speed is probably a bit faster than the sync speed. A crop camera has a higher sync speed because the shutter curtains have less distance to travel.

The shutter on Canon cameras travels from bottom of image to top. i.e. the first curtain clears the sensor by dropping from the top of the camera to the bottom. The second curtain covers the sensor by dropping from the top of the camera to the bottom. This travel pattern makes sense considering how the mirror moves to clear the sensor aperture.

Here is the sequence of events that occur for an exposure with flash with a Canon camera:
1)Camera determines, via settings whether to transmit fire pulse to flash when first curtain opens or just before second curtain closes.
2) Or, if the camera should "pre-fire" the flash after sending it a command for High Speed Sync pulsing to accommodate a shutter speed greater than sync speed.
3) The time lag from fire pulse to shutter actuation is controlled by camera specs to ensure that either the curtains are clear of the shutter (1) or that the speedlite is illuminating the subject when the curtain begins its travel (2) to ensure even illumination.

Hyper Sync (Pocket Wizard term) or Super Sync (YN term) is a hack to enable a studio strobe to illuminate a subject at shutter speeds higher than sync speed. The hack has to accommodate two realities; a) camera flash fire pulse is timed to ensure that the curtains are clear of the sensor; b) studio strobes have a rapid build up of power to the flash tube and then a gradual decrease resulting is pike and tail light output curve. Since the intent is to have the flash illuminate only a portion of the sensor at any moment in time during the curtain travel, its necessary to fire the flash before the shutter opens so that the pike light output does not over expose a narrow sliver of the image. To accomplish this the triggers fool the camera into thinking it should deliver a HSS early fire pulse to the flash. This means the pike of the flash output will be past when the shutter slit begins to travel across the sensor. Thus the tail of the flash output illuminates the image. Because the power is diminishing over time as the slit is traveling across the sensor the exposure is gradated.

This technique works with monolights that use voltage to control power settings. i.e. half power means half full capacitor. etc. This also means that as power settings are reduced the tail of the studio strobe flattens and the flash duration from start to t.1 (when 90% of the light output has been delivered.) is longer. The secondary advantage is that a lower power setting with a higher shutter speed means that the gradient from start to end of shutter travel may be less depending on the tail curve characteristics. It also means that even less of the available output from the strobe is used to illuminate the subject.

Providing that the trigger can effectively deliver a "pre-shutter" fire signal, the hack does offer some benefits for using strobes at greater than sync speed. Unfortunately there is no way to effectively meter the light output. This means the photographer has to depend on using "digital Polaroid's " to confirm proper exposure.

(For those reading this that are too young to have used a Polaroid back on a view camera to confirm exposure substitute "chimping" for "digital Polaroid.) :-)

David Thanks for taking the time for such a detailed explanation.
Does that mean I didn't help myself by getting 1x 250R and 1x 500R if I want to use supersync. i.e. is my logic correct that I would have been better off getting 2x 500R's and running them at 1/2 power?
Bit late now but interested to see if I am getting the hand of the science.


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Sep 14, 2012 18:43 |  #445

iituner wrote in post #14992215 (external link)
To my regret, I do not know much English, but you speak very quickly :)
Could you share your comments here?


sorry, my apologies.

-works very similiar to the canon counterpart.
-the battery tray orientation is a little odd, but nothing that would worry me.
-the AF grid is the same as the 565 and YN622's.
-The build seems a little "boxy" opposed to their previous models.
-The siren feature is a nice feature. It's easily controllable from the yn622C.


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Sep 14, 2012 18:43 |  #446

-AP- wrote in post #14992464 (external link)
Dan, you're awesome.. Great video. You should be the companies spokesman!!

Nice job!!

Thanks!!


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Sep 14, 2012 19:04 |  #447

btmlinedan wrote in post #14992611 (external link)
Thanks!!

Hey Dan,
is there any way to know if you have recieved one of the 'fixed' 622's - like a prefix or suffix to the # No? or different Box denotation like Ver. 2 etc?

BTW liked your video - hope the effort is rewarded by the PR execise attracting new customers to BM.


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Sep 14, 2012 19:12 |  #448

Where is there to order? Is there any US sellers out there?




  
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Sep 14, 2012 19:33 |  #449

dmward wrote in post #14991879 (external link)
The shutter on Canon cameras travels from bottom of image to top. i.e. the first curtain clears the sensor by dropping from the top of the camera to the bottom. The second curtain covers the sensor by dropping from the top of the camera to the bottom.

I checked my references and find that my recall was faulty. the references are from 2004-2006, and were support by Canon insiders, so it seemed likely that they were right.
1. Both shutters closed.
2. Second curtain up to clear sensor; 1st curtain still covering sensor.
3. First curtain down. When fully down, flash told to fire.
4. Second curtain down to cover sensor. Exposure ended.
5. First curtain up to also cover sensor, ready for next shot.

But the over-x-sync shadow is at the bottom of the image, you say? Yes, because the lens inverts the image so the bottom is at the top. The file writing procedures re-invert it for us humans. Imagine chimping with an upsidedown image!

So, it seems that David is wrong on this point. Sorry.


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Sep 14, 2012 19:35 |  #450

Submariner wrote in post #14992664 (external link)
Hey Dan,
is there any way to know if you have recieved one of the 'fixed' 622's - like a prefix or suffix to the # No? or different Box denotation like Ver. 2 etc?

BTW liked your video - hope the effort is rewarded by the PR execise attracting new customers to BM.

There is no way for the user, or reseller for that matter, to know. Only stock control by the retailer.


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