My First wedding.. (and probably last)!

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very good, you should do it more often, you're good at it

Phil, dont lose heart.
The first one is the worst one .... weddings are such a steep learning curve.
You always look back and think "I should have done this or done that" but its all valuable experience

You are good, keep doing it! The most you do it the easier it is!

40d is not the best for low light (noisy) and yes weddings are hard thats why i get to charge what i do

Sounds like my first/last wedding. The groom was in a hurry to get to the reception and get into his shorts. I was rushed to get some group photos right after the reception (the next wedding was coming in). They did not want to go outside to a pre-planned area I wanted to get some shots of them. There's too much pressure at weddings. Cudos to all the wedding professionals out there.

Thanks for the replies, rick_reno , Andi 1969, carlit0x, Pixil Studio and armedaL I appreciate your thoughts.

I know #1 is badly exposed the sun was streaming through the back of the church and not much light where the groom was,I kept this shot purely for the look on the grooms face.
I'd left my speedlite 430 off.

Anyway Thanks again for the comments.

Did you use the 17-55 at F2.8?

Good photo's but looks like you could have done with reducing your depth of field to get rid of the distractions. Also, increase increase your iso to improve your shutter, remove the noise in light room.

Pics could probably pop up a bit with a little editing. Tried number three just to give it a bit more colour and exposure. You could really do with dropping the original in LR.

Hope this helps.

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Thanks Scooby,
The edit looks better.

I'm afraid I bottled it and went to P mode to be safe after reading a thread about chasing the needle.

I'd set my 40d to iso 1000 inside the church, I used f2.8 in manual but it went to f4 for that shot in P mode.

As for processing I convert raw to tiff in zoombrowser then use elements 5. I am toying with the idea of getting CS6 would this be benificial?

Thanks again for your reply.

philc123 wrote in post #14812412
Thanks Scooby,
The edit looks better.

I'm afraid I bottled it and went to P mode to be safe after reading a thread about chasing the needle.

I'd set my 40d to iso 1000 inside the church, I used f2.8 in manual but it went to f4 for that shot in P mode.

As for processing I convert raw to tiff in zoombrowser then use elements 5. I am toying with the idea of getting CS6 would this be benificial?

Thanks again for your reply.

If I was to make a suggestion for next time. Drop to 2.8 in the church, you'll never manage with f4 unless you have good light (remember 2.8 lets in twice as much light).

Then i would shift you ISO up to at least 1600, maybe 3200 if you still need the shutter speed.

Shoot AWB and RAW so you can correct that later, then make sure your on centre point focus. Once you nail the focus all you need to consider then is your exposure.

Don't be afraid to over expose +1 in a church.

I use the 17-55 on my 7D, with these settings so should work for you.

Not really sure what 'P' mode is?
If you want to try a semi auto mode I would have picked AV and managed the exposure at a high ISO to stop the blur.

I use lightroom 4 nearly all of the time. If I need to do any pixel editing then CS5.5 but don't really use it much.\

Two most important things is focus and exposure, nail them, you get the pic :P

Hope this helps.

Scooby888 wrote in post #14812532
If I was to make a suggestion for next time. Drop to 2.8 in the church, you'll never manage with f4 unless you have good light (remember 2.8 lets in twice as much light).

Then i would shift you ISO up to at least 1600, maybe 3200 if you still need the shutter speed.

Shoot AWB and RAW so you can correct that later, then make sure your on centre point focus. Once you nail the focus all you need to consider then is your exposure.

Don't be afraid to over expose +1 in a church.

I use the 17-55 on my 7D, with these settings so should work for you.

Not really sure what 'P' mode is?
If you want to try a semi auto mode I would have picked AV and managed the exposure at a high ISO to stop the blur.

I use lightroom 4 nearly all of the time. If I need to do any pixel editing then CS5.5 but don't really use it much.\

Two most important things is focus and exposure, nail them, you get the pic :P

Hope this helps.

are you nuts?
first off the 40d at 3200 is garbage and 1600 is not too much better
telling a beginner to shot at 2.8 is asking for trouble. the DOF is way to shallow and risky for a beginner at a wedding.
the bottom line is if you have to rely on P mode then your not ready. second shoot for someone if you want to continue shooting weddings and get a better understanding of the basics

i think the OP'er realizes this and is right to take a step back.

I can almost see myself in this situation. A good friend is asking for a favor to shoot her wedding and it will be my first time. It is nerve-racking even if it's months away.

Anyway, at least the OP took the courage and just get it done. Even though it didn't work out as you wanted it to be. They're right, experience is the valuable thing here.

philc123 wrote in post #14812412
Thanks Scooby,
The edit looks better.

I'm afraid I bottled it and went to P mode to be safe after reading a thread about chasing the needle.

I'd set my 40d to iso 1000 inside the church, I used f2.8 in manual but it went to f4 for that shot in P mode.

As for processing I convert raw to tiff in zoombrowser then use elements 5. I am toying with the idea of getting CS6 would this be benificial?

Thanks again for your reply.

Pixil Studio wrote in post #14813076
are you nuts?
first off the 40d at 3200 is garbage and 1600 is not too much better
telling a beginner to shot at 2.8 is asking for trouble. the DOF is way to shallow and risky for a beginner at a wedding.
the bottom line is if you have to rely on P mode then your not ready. second shoot for someone if you want to continue shooting weddings and get a better understanding of the basics

i think the OP'er realizes this and is right to take a step back.

With your comments I'm sure you'll put any amateur off, well done

There is nothing wrong with my advise, and for someone looking to improve then its better to hear this, than 'just give up!'.

Second shoot I agree with, and practice with the settings I've advised. Don't ruin someones special day, leave that to a pro.

I've not used a 40d so can't advise what the images are like at 1600, but a blurred image at 1000 or less certainly isn't going to be better than a noisy image at 1600? I can reduce noise, I can't remove blur?

Looking at your website you obviously know which way round to hold your camera, but it would be nice of you to pass on some advise that would assist the skill of the OP rather than putting them off trying to develop.

Scooby888 wrote in post #14813959
With your comments I'm sure you'll put any amateur off, well done

There is nothing wrong with my advise, and for someone looking to improve then its better to hear this, than 'just give up!'.

Second shoot I agree with, and practice with the settings I've advised. Don't ruin someones special day, leave that to a pro.

I've not used a 40d so can't advise what the images are like at 1600, but a blurred image at 1000 or less certainly isn't going to be better than a noisy image at 1600? I can reduce noise, I can't remove blur?

Looking at your website you obviously know which way round to hold your camera, but it would be nice of you to pass on some advise that would assist the skill of the OP rather than putting them off trying to develop.

I said second shoot not give up

Pixil Studio wrote in post #14813983
I said second shoot not give up

Didn't sound like it

I'm interested to hear what settings you would have suggested him to use if mine are 'nuts'