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Anyone ever try a 100-400 with ET's for macro?

 
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Aug 04, 2012 23:47 |  #1

I have three lenses, a 28-135, 300 f-4 IS and a 100-400. I need to do a little macro of dragonflies.
I need a little reach. I am guessing extention tubes are cheaper then a long macro. : ) Would extention tubes work good with the 300 or 100-400?


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Aug 05, 2012 04:40 |  #2
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Get yourself a 100mm f/2.8. Either is fine. Results will be much better than trying to manage a 100-400L sized lens in a macro project. Or maybe a 500D Close-up filter. Never used one but have heard praises. I do believe it comes in 77mm.


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Aug 05, 2012 06:02 |  #3

TSchrief wrote in post #14816186 (external link)
Get yourself a 100mm f/2.8. Either is fine. Results will be much better than trying to manage a 100-400L sized lens in a macro project. Or maybe a 500D Close-up filter. Never used one but have heard praises. I do believe it comes in 77mm.

You would think that but actually using tubes and a 1.4x TC work very well on the 100-400l.


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Aug 05, 2012 06:14 |  #4

The 300mm f4 is fine for butterflies and dragonflies. It has a nice MFD to begin with and takes the tubes well.




  
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Aug 05, 2012 06:39 |  #5

I probably wouldn't recommend it. Even with tubes, you are not going to be able to get all that close with either of those lens. More importantly, the size of those lens are going to make it difficult to shoot macro. You are working with such narrow DoFs, that large lenses like these will be hard to manage.

I would look at either 100mm F2.8 Macro lens.


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Aug 05, 2012 10:13 |  #6
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TeamSpeed wrote in post #14816298 (external link)
You would think that but actually using tubes and a 1.4x TC work very well on the 100-400l.

Just curious.... Are you hand-holding that setup or using a tripod?


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Aug 05, 2012 10:27 |  #7

I have tubes, a 1.4X TC, a 500D and a 100-400, but don't use anything other than just the 100-400 when shooting dragonflies. Here's a sample shot taken with a 30D and 100-400:

1/250s f/16.0 at 400.0mm iso400 (also used my 580EX flash for this shot and it was handheld).

IMAGE: http://www.pbase.com/bob_r/image/84995511.jpg

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Aug 05, 2012 10:41 |  #8

i have played with the setup and have some awesome results, here is one of them:

IMAGE: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7041/7039909041_546e1e50c3_z.jpg
IMAGE LINK: http://www.flickr.com/​photos/ehambrick/70399​09041/  (external link)
large-frog-posing 100-400mm w/ kenko extension tubes +3 photos (external link) by Evan Animals (external link), on Flickr

my notes from the shot:

The 100-400mm super telephoto lens is the last lens you would think to use for macro, but if you pop on the kenko extension tubes you can get much closer to the subjects. The minimum focus distance on the lens is 6 feet, so with the tubes you can give more space between the lens and the camera body allowing you to focus at a much closer distance. Using the push-pull design on the lens, i set it to manual and moved the lens or body closer or farther away to frame and focus.
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a few more frogs with that setup:
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Small Frog Side - 100-400mm w/ kenko extension tubes (external link) by Evan Animals (external link), on Flickr

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red-frog-top 100-400mm w/ kenko extension tubes (external link) by Evan Animals (external link), on Flickr

Here is a fly shot i got:
IMAGE: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7181/7039908517_bd8ea724e0_z.jpg
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Fly Macro - 100-400mm w/ kenko extension tubes (external link) by Evan Animals (external link), on Flickr

and the setup:
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camera-setup (external link) by Evan Animals (external link), on Flickr

Shooting dragonflies with the setup would be a little difficult. These frogs were not moving much so i had a lot of time to setup the shots. But, the fly shot was taken with me sitting by a lounge chair that had about 5-10 flies resting on it. I would sit and wait with the extension tubes on so my in focus distance was very short, i was just waiting for the flies to get in my field of focus. I would nudge the chair every minute or so to get the flies to move and once they came close enough i was able to get a few photos.

I also don't have a true macro lens, but i got the extension tubes just to experiment and the push-pull design is interesting for macro. I am sure a 100mm lens is much better, but you can do it with the 100-400mm. BTW i was using mostly the 100mm-200mm range when i was shooting with the extension tubes.

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Aug 05, 2012 10:57 |  #9
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inernets wrote in post #14816903 (external link)
The 100-400mm super telephoto lens is the last lens you would think to use for macro, but if you pop on the kenko extension tubes you can get much closer to the subjects. The minimum focus distance on the lens is 6 feet, so with the tubes you can give more space between the lens and the camera body allowing you to focus at a much closer distance. Using the push-pull design on the lens, i set it to manual and moved the lens or body closer or farther away to frame and focus.

Impressive! Now I have to give that a try.


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Aug 05, 2012 11:03 |  #10

Sure, they'll work. Give them a try and be sure to post some images here.




  
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Aug 05, 2012 11:19 as a reply to  @ TSchrief's post |  #11

i haven't really messed around with it since the frog photos, but it's worth giving a shot. I was trying to do some tests to figure out which lens i have would be best used with my extension tube set but i didn't have time to finish the tests.

With very little macro experience, it is kind of fun to use the push pull design. I just went outside with my 1d III and 100-400 with just 1 of the tubes on and tried taking just a few shots to see how it is and it's actually fun.

The reason it's fun:
with the 36mm kenko extension tube on, at 100mm you can focus at about 1 foot away instead of 6 feet away. If you zoom out to the 400mm range, your minimum focus distance is about 4 or 5 feet, BUT your DOF is so shallow.

You can use center auto focus on it, but manual is best. What i like to do is move closer or farther with my feet, try to get as close as possible to use the 100-130mm range of the lens, that is where you get the best close-ups. If your subject is skitish and flies off if you get too close, you can use a longer zoom like the 200mm range. So if your subject flies away back 1 foot, you can easily use the push pull design to stay where you are and focus forward. It is actually really neat. It kind of let's you "walk forward" without moving.. BUT the longer your zoom the harder it is to get the subject in focus, or a good small shot.

I would say if you love your 100-400mm and bring it everywhere and are in situations where you need macro, this lens, plus extension tubes PLUS a light setup could result in AMAZING photos like my frog one. I could have focus stacked that for a perfect image.


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Aug 05, 2012 11:24 as a reply to  @ inernets's post |  #12

Dragonfly with 100-400, no ET or TC.

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