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Dec 18, 2005 20:09 |  #1

Hey everyone! I talked my wife into driving out to a lake about 45 minutes away today so I could take some couple pictures. She was not very willing to go, but afterwards wanted to have one of these made into a print and give it to her parents so they'll have a couples picture of her and I. I would really appreciate it if you all could give me some feedback on which ones you like most and critque them as well. Still learning, so I could use any help I can get. Thanks!

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Dec 18, 2005 20:44 |  #2

nice work. Only bone to pic here is that a couple is two, you posted a few! ;)


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Dec 18, 2005 21:00 as a reply to  @ Dante King's post |  #3

Dante King wrote:
nice work. Only bone to pic here is that a couple is two, you posted a few! ;)

dante, he meant 'couple pictures' not a couple of pictures.. he he... nice pictures. Must have been a challenge?? taking the photos and being in them. Sari.


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Dec 18, 2005 21:02 as a reply to  @ saravrose's post |  #4

Personally, I think #4 is the best one.

Just my opinion.

Good job.



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Dec 19, 2005 00:58 |  #5

Dear Dave: You asked for some comments on your images. From a family oriented casual photography situation that anyone in the family would like, they are just great. They are happy and not posed to death. My comments however will be from a professional portrait point of view. I just wanted to make that distinction.

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First comment is that the background of dark tree trunks against a very light sky is extremely contrasty and distracting. Possible solutions would include selecting a different location with more of a solid background that won’t distract from the subjects. If you wanted to stay in that location, then select a longer lens, move the camera back a bit and elevate the camera enough to make the ground cover the background rather than the trees against the sky. In other words, the camera will be looking more downward at the couple. With a wider lens this would be a problem but with a longer lens, it works just fine. The longer lens will help you isolate the subjects from the background by showing the same amount of subject while showing less background at the same time. A longer lens has a narrower field of view. Throwing the background considerably out of focus with a larger f stop would also help.

Other general portrait issues would include the choice of clothing. Selecting clothing wisely can make the difference between amateur looking and professional looking images. In this case, the man is in a black top and the girl is in a white top. Also note that the white top is showing little detail in the flat lighting of the scene. White requires directional light cutting across it to create texture. White also makes you look larger. Dark makes you look smaller. She is wearing blue jeans while he is wearing wrinkled light color pants. Turn your images upside down and study them from a distance. Notice how the light areas are the first areas your eye lands on. Let the faces be the lightest area and watch what a difference it makes. Try using deeper colors and solid colors. Dark blue denim is excellent along with long sleeve shirts. Perhaps maroon, deep blue, teal green or other muted colors. Using these colors will let the faces stand out as the subject while the clothing frames and supports.

Notice that in all 5 images we see the full width of the girl but only a fraction of the man’s width. Who looks bigger? A pose where the man was seated with the girl to one side slightly behind him perhaps with her hands resting on his shoulder would present him as the larger one of the two. In this pose the man would be the larger person while the girl with less of her body in view would look smaller. This technique is excellent for helping over weight people look a bit smaller. Place a portion of them behind another person and try to only show one arm and hand.

While the light is by no means bad, it’s not really portrait lighting. It has very little direction and what it does have comes from directly overhead as is evidenced by the shadows under the chins and cheeks and dark eye sockets. Would it sell? Certainly it would but if professional portraiture is our goal it is good to look for soft, directional light that will light the faces just like in the studio with slenderizing direction, brilliant eyes and texture to the clothing. Flat lighting that lights the subject evenly from ear to ear adds weight to the subject. Flash fill would open up the eye sockets but it would not have the direction we are looking for. Flash fill looks more like vacation snapshots in most cases than it does directional portrait lighting.

In images 1 and 2 notice that the heads are almost on the same level. This should be avoided to create more dynamic lines within the composition. Images 3 through 5 are better. Try to get at least a half head differential between neighboring heads. It creates diagonal lines that add to the interest and drama of the image.

Avoid having fingers, hands, arms, legs, and feet coming toward the camera. It truncates them giving a stubby and somewhat deformed look in extreme cases. Also, when a leg is coming toward the camera, it is now closer to the camera and optically larger. Especially the feet. Most folks don’t want larger feet. Anything closer to the lens will look larger. Try to fold the legs and arms to the sides rather than toward the camera. Stretch the body out from side to side rather than sitting vertically. It’s much easier to create diagonal lines this way.

On images 1 and 3 we have a classic case of the “can of worms” hands and fingers scenario. Especially in number 3, look how much is going on with the hands and fingers. Number 2 also suffers a bit from this problem. Try to always hide one hand behind another person (IF possible) . It simplifies the image and also reduces weight. Keep any limbs, or fingers pointing to the side rather than at the camera. Try not to show the palm of the hand or the back of the hand but rather the side or edge of the hand. This view will reduce the business of the fingers by hiding them one behind the next.

Images 4 and 5 show the girl’s hand in somewhat awkward positions. In number 5 the limp wrist is also in the negative column. A very minor issue is the wear of wrist watches by women. It’s no great sin but many watches tend to look a bit masculine on a ladies wrist. Most of the time it’s better to simply remove them. Simple jewelry is pretty much the best choice for most portrait situations.

I hope you find this helpful and that I didn’t hurt any feelings.
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Dec 19, 2005 13:18 |  #6

lightningman that was an excellent writeup. that actually answers a lot of my questions. thanks


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Dec 19, 2005 13:45 |  #7

Scott, excellent suggestions. Now to remember them when I pick up the camera.


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Dec 19, 2005 13:58 as a reply to  @ Titus213's post |  #8

Looks like Scott aka "lightingman" has it covered. That is a great writeup with many helpful pointers for anyone doing some outdoor portrait photography! Welcome to the forums Scott!


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Dec 19, 2005 14:41 |  #9

Great insight, Scott.
Hope you can contribute to many more photos.

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Dec 19, 2005 15:01 |  #10

You both are to be commended on your posing discipline. Man, there's virtually no difference between the facial expressions in all the shots; particularly your wife.

Incredible :) :)


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Dec 19, 2005 15:11 as a reply to  @ ayotnoms's post |  #11

I have to say that I felt the shots improved as they went on. The woman looked a little tense at first.

Scott, I saw your post and thought 'my god, give the guy a chance', but reading through it all, you have made very valid comments. Sometimes the 'one liners' don't really help and you need a masterclass. I am sure your comments are applicable to many more than just this shot, so imchillindave, don't take it to heart - we owe you for prompting this excellent post.

Hope we will hear more of you both soon.

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Dec 19, 2005 16:41 |  #12

Thank you very much for all the tips and advice. My feelings arent ever hurt, cause I know I can always use some improvement and you have told me how to do so, so thank you very much. Now I did have my 580EX on ETTL mode. It was a bit hard to notice the smaller flaws since I had to run and jump in the picture using the timer. Now what would be the best way to better light the scene having only a 580EX flash, 2ft offshoe cord, and Omni-bounce diffusers? I'm terrible when it comes to getting my lighting right on the money expecially outdoors, unless I use natural light. In this case, natural light was very harsh and not very useable.
Also, do you have a website with some of your work? I learn alot by looking at other peoples work and you seem to have a really good idea of portraiture. This is EXACTLY the kind of feedback I like so thank you very much.


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Dec 19, 2005 18:24 |  #13

I think these are very crisp and nicely lit and my first suggestion would be to have tried a few different poses... back to back, throwing leaves at each other, whatever you can think of. Would also have helped promote a more relaxed vibe.

Not that I've ever managed such a thing! :-)


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Dec 19, 2005 18:43 |  #14

I think it has all been covered, but you did a good job and now they can be even better, that is a good place to be.




  
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Dec 19, 2005 19:02 |  #15

well, pretty good. They're posed and the subjects are rught in the middle which isn't too flattering. I also thought they could use some color.

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used curves and saturation, color balance to warm it up a little, and gaussian blur.



  
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