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Aug 05, 2012 16:51 |  #1

So I remember reading somewhere that the 18 megapixels that the 7D has, isn't necessarily all that great with the ASP-C sensor when using L lenses. (higher noise). So my question is that because Im using L lenses in hopes of going FF soon, would it benefit me to drop the Raw resolution in hopes for better IQ (less noise). Right now I use max Raw Res for editing and the smallest Jpep for samples.


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Aug 05, 2012 17:02 |  #2

No. Noise has nothing to do with resolution; you'd simply be reducing the resolution that you have to work with in the images. You just need to make sure you are getting your exposures correct in-camera; if you do that, you should be able to shoot the 7D up to around ISO 1250 or so, easily, and above with more effort in PP.


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Aug 05, 2012 17:25 |  #3

Here's a 7D ISO 6400 image shot in full resolution RAW (it took me less than a minute to process this in Lightroom 4.1). This was shot with the EF 70-200 f/4L IS. This image was, of course, downsized for posting, which probably helps "bury" some of the noise, so I also uploaded a 100% crop. I could have been more aggressive in Lightroom with noise reduction; it does a great job of retaining detail.

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Aug 06, 2012 02:57 as a reply to  @ stsva's post |  #4

The 7D certainly will not be harmed by using good lenses, regardless of resolution or sensor size.


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Aug 06, 2012 05:33 |  #5

I think it is the opposite. The 7D performs better with quality glass. Some lenses that shot well with older bodies are severly tested by the resolution of the 7D.


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Aug 06, 2012 05:37 as a reply to  @ Trique Daddi's post |  #6

As long as you look at pictures, it doesn't matter so much, but there are always those who can't help themselves but blow up images to 200% and more. Then you may very well notice.


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Aug 06, 2012 07:25 |  #7

I have used EFS lenses originally on my 7D. After updating to L lenses the quality improved greatly. Both the 16-35L II is much sharper than the EFS 10-22, and the 24-105 is better than the EFS 17-85. Not just for resolution, but color as well. Now that I have a 5DIII as well as the 7D, I am glad I got the L lenses.


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Aug 06, 2012 07:46 |  #8

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I have used EFS lenses originally on my 7D. After updating to L lenses the quality improved greatly. Both the 16-35L II is much sharper than the EFS 10-22, and the 24-105 is better than the EFS 17-85. Not just for resolution, but color as well. Now that I have a 5DIII as well as the 7D, I am glad I got the L lenses.

The 17-85 is not a very stellar lens, so I could see the improvement there. The 10-22 is a great lens, and I would love to see 22mm on both as a comparison.

The 17-55 and 55-250, for example, are quite sharp, and resolve well to the 7D sensor.

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Aug 06, 2012 08:43 as a reply to  @ TeamSpeed's post |  #9

I can plainly see noise in the background images of the dogs. Its easy to see even here.


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Aug 06, 2012 08:53 |  #10

TeamSpeed wrote in post #14820505 (external link)
The 17-85 is not a very stellar lens, so I could see the improvement there. The 10-22 is a great lens, and I would love to see 22mm on both as a comparison.

The 17-55 and 55-250, for example, are quite sharp, and resolve well to the 7D sensor.

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Aug 06, 2012 08:54 as a reply to  @ Bsmooth's post |  #11

Of course there's noise, but it's at ISO 6400. Nothing that destroys the picture.


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Aug 06, 2012 09:30 as a reply to  @ apersson850's post |  #12

I guess that depends on what you mean by destroys it. I wouldn't want it in something that I had, then again I don't ever shoot at that high an ISO either.


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Aug 06, 2012 10:00 as a reply to  @ Bsmooth's post |  #13

I'm perhaps less sensitive. I don't find the image noise being any problem even in this picture. It's shot at ISO 12800 with a 7D, in order to get a reasonable shutter speed for the focal length used (1/200 s @ f/2.8), then cropped quite a bit.
The dark background is noisy, but the people in the photo are reasonable. White balance is tricky with the mixed and weak artificial lights that were available.

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Aug 06, 2012 10:35 |  #14

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I can plainly see noise in the background images of the dogs. Its easy to see even here.

:rolleyes: You'll see noise at ISO 6400 in the dark background of a 5Dii, 5Diii, or 1DX image too. My point was that the 7D can easily produce usable images at ISOs above 1600. I could print that particular image at least at 8X10 and I daresay the noise would be invisible in the print. That 100% crop that I posted is about an 8.7" X 6.9" (assuming a display resolution of 90 pixels/inch) section of a 57.6" X 38.4" poster-size image, and at the average viewing distance for a computer monitor you're looking at that poster-sized image at maybe an 18" to 24" viewing distance. No matter what the camera, you won't see a noise-free image at ISO 6400 at that size and viewing distance.


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Aug 06, 2012 10:42 |  #15

There's noticeable noise on the shadows on the faces, at this size and resolution it's good enough, I wouldn't blow it up much.


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