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430EXII or 580EXII or 600EX-RT

 
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Aug 09, 2012 16:16 |  #16

gonzogolf wrote in post #14836346 (external link)
That rather depends on how you are triggering them, and when/where you are using them.

For me, I have a T3i which has wireless flash capability. However, I am looking at a few used YN565s and would probably get the triggers that will work with them. I think I read the pixel king triggers work well.

I wish I could get the more expensive units, but at $200 for a used 430 and almost $400 for a 580EXii and $600 for the 600ex, I have to look at features per dollar and it seems the 430EXii is probably the best for my money right now.




  
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Aug 09, 2012 16:39 |  #17

Alright, so I received my 600EX-RT today and I've been playing with it for the past 4 hours. The unit is pretty durable and sexier than the 430EX-II and functions really well. However, it failed to function properly with my PocketWizard as I cannot use my AC3 unit which is a big let down because I do lots of OCF. In terms of power, there's not much of a power difference between the 430EX-II and the 600EX-RT probably a stop.


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Aug 09, 2012 19:25 |  #18

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Aug 10, 2012 18:51 |  #19

leovampire wrote:
it failed to function properly with my PocketWizard as I cannot use my AC3 unit

Did you update to the latest firmware on the PW? I used to have the PW Flex/Mini, and it worked fine with my 600EX-RTs.


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Aug 10, 2012 22:51 |  #20

The 430EX II is an excellent flash. It rotates 180 deg one way, but only 90 deg the other--hasn't caused any problem in 2 years. I use 2 430EXs off camera controlled by my 60D pop-up all the time. The 600 & 580 flashes are the same power (600 zooms to 200mm however), which is only about 2/3 stop more than the 430.


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Aug 11, 2012 07:43 |  #21

The focus assist beam of the 580EX is great for low light focusing. I don't think the 430EX has the beam, just a pulsating light I think?

IMO, you cannot have too much power in a speedlight.

Off camera flash - definitely!

If your use is not critical, you can get two manual YongNuo flashes and triggers for about $200.




  
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Aug 11, 2012 08:40 |  #22

I went from a 430 ex II to a 580 ex II. My other flashes are yongnuo yn-560s. I use them all off-camera, either single flashes in a modifier, or in a tri-flash bracket.

600rts are close to $600, while you can find used 580 ex IIs for $350ish each. You can even find 580 ex units for $250ish. Depends on your budget. If you are wanting flashes for off-camera, and are fine with manual, check out the link in my sig for a budget off camera light setup.


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Aug 11, 2012 13:02 |  #23

PLLphotography wrote in post #14843887 (external link)
I went from a 430 ex II to a 580 ex II. My other flashes are yongnuo yn-560s. I use them all off-camera, either single flashes in a modifier, or in a tri-flash bracket.

600rts are close to $600, while you can find used 580 ex IIs for $350ish each. You can even find 580 ex units for $250ish. Depends on your budget. If you are wanting flashes for off-camera, and are fine with manual, check out the link in my sig for a budget off camera light setup.

Tanks for the sig link. Now to find out if my T3i will support the flash cord of the triggers you linked to. I don't think so, but one never knows.

Just paid for a 430EXii on FM for $200, so hoping it comes quickly.




  
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Aug 11, 2012 15:01 |  #24

Those triggers have hot shoes you put the flashes on. No need for cords. You it one on your camera's hot shoe, and the remainder on your off-camera flashes.


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Aug 11, 2012 16:25 |  #25

If debating with yourself about 580EXII or 600EX-RT, consider the fact that at identical zoom FL settings, the two flashes are identical in power; the 600EX-RT only has a very modest (read 'little significance') difference in power at the 200mm position...the 600EX is less than 1/6EV brighter than the 580EX, only if it is in the 200mm flash head position!
So if the radio remote capability is something that you need, it can justify the cost differential. If not, improvements is user interface, some slight improvements in durability, and a redesigned set of contacts in the hot foot are the 600EX-RT's only distinctions.


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Aug 11, 2012 17:06 |  #26

PLLphotography wrote in post #14845070 (external link)
Those triggers have hot shoes you put the flashes on. No need for cords. You it one on your camera's hot shoe, and the remainder on your off-camera flashes.

Ok thanks. In looking at the products it looked like the trigger went on the hot shoe, but there was a cord that plugged in to the camera.




  
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Aug 12, 2012 06:26 |  #27

LittleFish wrote in post #14835652 (external link)
Thanks for the replies.

I must say although the 600EX-RT does look awfully tempting on paper, for my purposes I'm not sure whether the extra cost is justified. Also just wanted to ask, how many of you thought that you would never go into off camera stuff, but eventually did anyways?

Also, to owners of the 430EXII; have you ever felt like you wished the speedlite was capable of turning 180 degrees in either direction?

@LEoVaMPiRe - hey I'd really appreciate it if you'd let me know your thoughts on the unit compared to your 430EXII. What kind of flash work do you personally do?

I don't mind spending the extra $$, if and only if I can reason out my purchase. :P

It's difficult to say as we all shoot differently. But when I discovered [as relatively new to digital flash] wireless ETTL II; I was blown over - IMO dramatic improvement as opposed to sticking it on the camera. So much so - I'm going to investigate what is the smallest [cheapest] decent Canon speedlight for putting on top. But the more I look, the more I think about getting another 430EXII.
No never bothered not being able to not rotate 180 deg. So much so as I didn't even realise it didn't! But then I'd go wireless 95% of the time.
I would love to make you a bet, that you will go wireless in no time at all. Especially as you say you do a lot indoors stuff. I like mixing landscape with people and horses. So to boost my fill flash on a sunny days wireless is brilliant. Plus safer - never know how a Stallion [In particular] will react. Do nothing, or kick the s... out of you. Personally I'd rather be 5 meters away if it kicked off; and sacrifice a speedlight rather than a 7D a 70-300L IS USM lens and ME!
(Note before the cruelty brigade unleash on me - as a former horse [Stallion] owner -- I am particularly careful not to freak out the animal; by firing numerous flashes - initially pointing away from them and then gradually towards them as I get closer and closer- I would strongly advise any tog not to walk up to a highly bred horse and fire off a flash in their face - apart from your safety, its just plain nasty)
To get more power I've gone the Bowens studio route, much more bang for your buck. But it's 'manual' only really. But you hit the setup hassle -maybe I'll get quicker but it's a pain.
In contrast pull a 430EXII out, stuff on the foot, press one button, flick camera mode to to C2 - reset the wireless flash on the menu and bingo. All done in under 30 seconds!

I can't comment on the radio features of the 600, sounds interesting but the price! IMO I think I'd rather have 3x 430EXII than one 600. So I can have a main on the left, fill on the right and maybe another high/back light. But then that's how I use flash [which is probably wrong].
My only critisim of the 430 is the foot size- it's too small? [outside it falls over in grass] but I just bought a bigish polycarb coaster! And as an after thought; a bigger foot would be more difficult to pack in the 'safe zone' i.e. well padded bags; whereas the coaster can be thrown anywhere.[So maybe not a negative after all].


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