Approve the Cookies
This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and our Privacy Policy.
OK
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Guest
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Register to forums    Log in

 
FORUMS Cameras, Lenses & Accessories Canon Lenses 
Thread started 20 Dec 2005 (Tuesday) 08:57
Search threadPrev/next
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

Photos at 135mm and 200mm?

 
Samiad
Senior Member
Avatar
473 posts
Joined Jul 2004
Location: Cardiff, UK
     
Dec 20, 2005 08:57 |  #1

I currently own a Canon 28-135mm f/4.5-5.6 IS lens - this is a good lens and I'm reasonably happy with it. It has good points (IS works well) and it has bad points (quite slow aperture, and I would prefer better image quality - in colours and contrast).

The lens represents the longest zoom in my camera bag - 135mm. I am thinking of buying a Canon L 70-200mm f/2.8 IS to get that little bit more range that I need. This seems like a good move as it means I retain IS, and I will also get the fast aperture and higher quality glass.

Can someone help me out and perhaps show a photo taken at 135mm and the same scene taken at 200mm? I don't mind if it's 'knocked' up in photoshop to show the field of view, but real photos would be ideal. Reason being that I am considering other lens that stretch to 300mm. However, as I rarely need much more than 135mm, I would probably be just fine with 200mm.

If I do go for a 70-200, I would probably look to sell the 28-135mm and replace with a higher quality zoom, (24-70?) to stop the overlap.

There's one thing I don't like especially about the 70-200 (and yet I like this at the same time) - it's not subtle. I hope 200mm is long enough to get good candids whilst waving about a 3lb huge lump of white lens in someones direction!

p.s. I would get a 1.4 teleconvertor at the same time as the 70-200mm.


Digital Photography
http://www.samiad.co.u​k/gallery (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Quad
Goldmember
Avatar
1,872 posts
Likes: 3
Joined Nov 2005
     
Dec 20, 2005 09:17 |  #2

1That is a big jump in size as well as quality I suppose. You might want to hold on to your current lens to make sure you don't mind the weight and for those times you need something more discrete. I would not think you would sell it for enough to offset too much of the new lens' cost.

i don't have any telephoto lenses to show you a fov difference but I would not think it would be a huge difference. Enjoy the new lens.




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Curtis ­ N
Master Flasher
Avatar
19,129 posts
Likes: 11
Joined Apr 2005
Location: Northern Illinois, US
     
Dec 20, 2005 09:25 |  #3

I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for, but
You can download this Excel file. (external link)The DOF calculator in it will give you the field of view (width & height) in feet or meters, given the camera format, distance and lens focal length. It might be fun to play with.

Or to put it in simpler terms, 200mm will give you about 2/3 the field of view of 135mm. If you cut a 2 5/8 x 4 inch hole in a piece of paper and put it over a 4 x 6 print, that will give you a pretty good approximation.


"If you're not having fun, your pictures will reflect that." - Joe McNally
Chicago area POTN events (external link)
Flash Photography 101 | The EOS Flash Bible  (external link)| Techniques for Better On-Camera Flash (external link) | How to Use Flash Outdoors| Excel-based DOF Calculator (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
RichardtheSane
Goldmember
Avatar
3,011 posts
Likes: 3
Joined Jun 2003
Location: Nottingham UK
     
Dec 20, 2005 15:28 as a reply to  @ Curtis N's post |  #4

If you have no samples tomorrow I'll snap a couple for you.

And to hurl a spanner in, I wouldn't say that 135mm to 200mm is that much of a significant increase... consider the sigma 100-300 F4..?


If in doubt, I shut up...

Gear: 40D, 12-24mm AT-X Pro, 17-85mm, Sigma 150mm Macro Sigma 100-300 F4, 550EX, other stuff that probably helps me on my way.

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Amorous
Senior Member
875 posts
Joined Oct 2005
Location: Los Angeles, U.S.
     
Dec 20, 2005 19:20 as a reply to  @ RichardtheSane's post |  #5

I don't know if there is any photography store that rents the lenses where you live. In my area, I can rent 70-200mm f/2.8 IS for $35/day. In fact, I'm renting one this Friday to try out at the Disney on Ice show. I can't afford to buy one right now, but I think it's a good investment to try it out before buying an expensive lens.


My web site: http://kaitcilla.smugm​ug.com/ (external link)

Los Angeles area local photography group: http://lashooters.org (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Samiad
THREAD ­ STARTER
Senior Member
Avatar
473 posts
Joined Jul 2004
Location: Cardiff, UK
     
Dec 21, 2005 10:23 |  #6

Thanks,

I think 200mm will be enough for my needs, as I rarely feel the need for much more. I will probably get the 1.4X teleconvertor too for times when it's needed.

To be honest I am more looking forward to the f/2.8 and the IS, those are what I need.

Not looking forward to the weight and the spectacle of a huge white lens though.

There is a place that offers a rental service so I will give that a go.


Digital Photography
http://www.samiad.co.u​k/gallery (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
condyk
Africa's #1 Tour Guide
Avatar
20,887 posts
Likes: 22
Joined Mar 2005
Location: Birmingham, UK
     
Dec 21, 2005 10:40 |  #7

What about the 200mm 2.8 L which is black? Great quality and you can add a TCon and still be at f4. Re. RichardtheSane's suggestion of the Sigma 100-300 f4 ... good one and it is a lovely piece of glass, but a bit heavy and you need a mono to squeeze the last essential 10% out of it, i.e. the difference between good and stellar!

I agree the 28-135 is a bit of an average package ... seems much better in theory than practice, in my experience at least. A good standard zoom would give you light and IQ and you'll have some change from selling the dull IS. You then have a gap to 200mm ... dunno if it would matter. You could pick up a fully MF like my CZJ 135 3.5 with an EOS adaptor for not much cash.


https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1203740

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
blue_max
Goldmember
Avatar
2,622 posts
Joined Mar 2005
Location: London UK
     
Dec 21, 2005 10:56 as a reply to  @ condyk's post |  #8

As an ex-owner of a 70-200 and an owner of a 135mm prime, I can tell you that I was not too impressed by the increase in magnification between the two extremes. It seems that going up in size makes less and less difference.

Graham


.
Lamb dressed as mutton.

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
barrettbonden
Member
Avatar
99 posts
Joined Dec 2005
Location: Madrid, Spain
     
Dec 21, 2005 13:44 |  #9

the next lens I will buy is a 135L, at 2.0 you have a better lens for some things and with a , 1,4 adapter it becomes almost 200 at 2.8. That may be a good idea for you. There is also a 2x converter. the 135L is black, very fast focusing (they say), black, and great for candid portrait (they say).


20d | EF 16-35L | EF 85 mm f/1.8 | EF 70-300mm f/4-5.6 IS USM 580EX | manfrotto 3021BPRO | 488RC2 ballhead | slingshot 100AW | compudaypack | rollling computrekker AW plus
http://www.vicentedepa​blo.com (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Bookmarks
Member
60 posts
Joined Oct 2005
     
Dec 23, 2005 15:10 as a reply to  @ barrettbonden's post |  #10

Here are 2 photos shot at 135mm and 200mm. The setting was f/11 and 1/200 sec for both pictures. The 135mm was shot with the EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM on tripod with IS off. The 200mm was shot with EF 200mm f/2.8L II USM on tripod.


HOSTED PHOTO
please log in to view hosted photos in full size.

135mm 1/200 @ f/11 EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM


HOSTED PHOTO
please log in to view hosted photos in full size.

200mm 1/200 @ f/11 EF 200mmL II USM

The pictures were autocontrasted in PS but the colors were not altered. The 135mm lens is a bit warmer in color than the 200mm.

hjoe



  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
J ­ Rabin
Goldmember
1,496 posts
Likes: 1
Joined Aug 2004
Location: NJ
     
Dec 23, 2005 17:40 as a reply to  @ Bookmarks's post |  #11

Canon has done this for years on their websites. Go here:
http://consumer.usa.ca​non.com …tIndexAct&fcate​goryid=150 (external link)
Then click on "lenses 101" button right side of screen, the click focal length comparison.




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Wavy ­ C
Senior Member
857 posts
Likes: 5
Joined Jan 2005
Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland
     
Dec 23, 2005 17:42 |  #12

Nice example hjoe. Not a lot of difference at all. Funny, I would have expected to see more.



----------
It wasn't me!

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
guitarman
Senior Member
Avatar
875 posts
Likes: 1
Joined Jun 2005
Location: Canada Ontario
     
Dec 23, 2005 17:48 as a reply to  @ Wavy C's post |  #13

This was taken with the 70-200mm F2.8 IS @ 200mm. I was in the back of a boat being thrown all over the place so its not quite as sharp as it could have been.

IMAGE NOT FOUND
Byte size: ZERO | Content warning: NOT AN IMAGE

Terry

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
rklepper
Dignity-Esteem-Compassion
Avatar
9,019 posts
Gallery: 2 photos
Likes: 14
Joined Dec 2003
Location: No longer living at the center of the known universe, moved just slightly to the right. Iowa, USA.
     
Dec 23, 2005 19:25 as a reply to  @ condyk's post |  #14

condyk wrote:
What about the 200mm 2.8 L which is black? Great quality and you can add a TCon and still be at f4. Re. RichardtheSane's suggestion of the Sigma 100-300 f4 ... good one and it is a lovely piece of glass, but a bit heavy and you need a mono to squeeze the last essential 10% out of it, i.e. the difference between good and stellar!

I agree the 28-135 is a bit of an average package ... seems much better in theory than practice, in my experience at least. A good standard zoom would give you light and IQ and you'll have some change from selling the dull IS. You then have a gap to 200mm ... dunno if it would matter. You could pick up a fully MF like my CZJ 135 3.5 with an EOS adaptor for not much cash.

I would second the 200 f2.8 L. Much sharper than the 70-200, lighter, and it is black so it is less conspicuous. I use a 1.4 X T-Con on it and you can hardly tell the difference in picture quality. With the T-Con the picture quality still surpasses the 70-200 (any of the 3).


Doc Klepper in the USA
I
am a photorealist, I like my photos with a touch of what was actually there.
Polite C&C always welcome, Thanks. Gear List

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
rklepper
Dignity-Esteem-Compassion
Avatar
9,019 posts
Gallery: 2 photos
Likes: 14
Joined Dec 2003
Location: No longer living at the center of the known universe, moved just slightly to the right. Iowa, USA.
     
Dec 23, 2005 19:26 |  #15

Oh, and the 200 f2.8 L is also costs much less than either of the 70-200 f2.8's.


Doc Klepper in the USA
I
am a photorealist, I like my photos with a touch of what was actually there.
Polite C&C always welcome, Thanks. Gear List

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

2,912 views & 0 likes for this thread, 14 members have posted to it.
Photos at 135mm and 200mm?
FORUMS Cameras, Lenses & Accessories Canon Lenses 
AAA
x 1600
y 1600

Jump to forum...   •  Rules   •  Forums   •  New posts   •  RTAT   •  'Best of'   •  Gallery   •  Gear   •  Reviews   •  Member list   •  Polls   •  Image rules   •  Search   •  Password reset   •  Home

Not a member yet?
Register to forums
Registered members may log in to forums and access all the features: full search, image upload, follow forums, own gear list and ratings, likes, more forums, private messaging, thread follow, notifications, own gallery, all settings, view hosted photos, own reviews, see more and do more... and all is free. Don't be a stranger - register now and start posting!


COOKIES DISCLAIMER: This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and to our privacy policy.
Privacy policy and cookie usage info.


POWERED BY AMASS forum software 2.58forum software
version 2.58 /
code and design
by Pekka Saarinen ©
for photography-on-the.net

Latest registered member was a spammer, and banned as such!
1995 guests, 126 members online
Simultaneous users record so far is 15,144, that happened on Nov 22, 2018

Photography-on-the.net Digital Photography Forums is the website for photographers and all who love great photos, camera and post processing techniques, gear talk, discussion and sharing. Professionals, hobbyists, newbies and those who don't even own a camera -- all are welcome regardless of skill, favourite brand, gear, gender or age. Registering and usage is free.