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Aug 16, 2012 02:55 |  #1

Some Of The 3rd Party Junk: Cheap For A Reason !!!

I got this Zeikos ZE-OCSCC Off-Camera Flash Cord for Canon EOS from B&H year or two back, which was the LEAST used item - sitting in front of PC most the time.

Just notice it's cord broke already !!!

I'm going to order a Canon for $70 instead this time!
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Aug 16, 2012 03:24 |  #2

Have you checked if it is broken electrically, or if it is just the outer shell that have come free?

When making cables like these, the inner wires are normally longer than needed to make it easier to produce it and to make sure you don't have any mechanical load on each inner wire where it is fitted to the connector. That means that there is a bit of slack inside the unit - if the outer shell gets free like above, then inner wires will be able to slide out a bit. You might be able to get the outer shell into the bend protection again, and then use glue.


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Aug 16, 2012 03:39 |  #3

Yeah, my Phottix does the same thing with the cord sleeving coming out like that. Still works fine. Push it back in.

If you had it for a year or two and didn't use it too often, maybe you don't need one, Canon or not. Food for thought.


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Aug 16, 2012 05:14 as a reply to  @ aegid's post |  #4

^^^ YOU ARE RIGHT!!!

After all emotion settled down I check the 'broken' site again, which is too clean to be broken.

Before I push the cord back again, I just cut off some off the rubber and check. Seem all those wires are intact.
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Aug 16, 2012 05:15 |  #5

I have a Zeikos cord that looks just like yours, even down to the bare black wire.:confused: If it still works push it back in with some glue on it as others have said.
I quit using mine after purchasing the Canon brand, the Zeikos was never dependable even when it was new.


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Aug 16, 2012 05:17 as a reply to  @ x_tan's post |  #6

And I push the cord back about one cm, and just tap them.
Strongly NOT RECOMMEND this product for any general use!
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Aug 16, 2012 05:22 |  #7

Unfortunately I have had the exact same experience with the Canon OEM version, twice. They ended up looking like yours, one within weeks and the other after about half a year of little to no use. I ended up spending on some wireless triggers and haven't looked back since. The only advantages of ocf cords are the ability to ETTL and HSS, both of which I realized I didn't need/use.


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Aug 16, 2012 05:37 |  #8

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Unfortunately I have had the exact same experience with the Canon OEM version, twice. They ended up looking like yours, one within weeks and the other after about half a year of little to no use. I ended up spending on some wireless triggers and haven't looked back since. The only advantages of ocf cords are the ability to ETTL and HSS, both of which I realized I didn't need/use.

That is sad...

As I don't use it much, I just hope that Canon OEM can last a bit longer for occasional user myself.

I may just as what aegid said, stick with this devil.


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Aug 16, 2012 09:52 |  #10

The 'corrugated' part attached to the plastic housing is what is called strain-relief and is intended to spread the stresses of bending the wire over a longer area than would happen without this extra bit. The usual breaking point of internal wire(s) is where the cable emerges from a rigid hole and can be bent over the edge of that hole. Strain relief grommets simply prevent sharp bending. Sometimes they are ultrasonically welded to the cable sheath and sometimes just slipped over. They don't form part of the circuitry, just there to protect the cable against sharp bends.

It appears as though this example has been over-extended at some stage - something which is oh so easy to do - and excess cable inside the unit has pulled through. If the unit still functions, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it other than cosmetics. Simply push the cable back in with a spot of superglue to fix it to the strain-relief grommet and all will be well. I believe that the problem is brought about by the way these things are described. "3ft coiled cable" could quite reasonably be assumed to stretch to 3ft when fully extended. The 3ft is the length of the cable cut from the reel before they put the curl in or make the connections. The curl takes up some of the length because it works by shrinking the sheathing on the inside of the coil. Once it's shrunk, that's it unless you reheat and stretch it. So "3ft coiled" rarely stretches more than a couple of feet before placing strain somewhere - and that somewhere is at the fixed ends. Then the sheathing pulls out of the strain-relief device.

In an ideal world, the strain-relief would be permanently attached and there would also be a metal ring crimped round the cable inside the unit. It's not an ideal world! I've just opened up boths ends of one Canon OC-E2, one Yongnuo OC-E3/s and one Pixel FC311 to check. Not a metal ring in sight; they all rely on the strain relief gripping onto the cable sheathing. There are differences in the thickness of the sheathing (though not the wires themselves as far as I can tell without desoldering) which make the Canon appear more robust but the actual wiring seems the same quality/guage. Given that the Canon unit cost me GB £40, the Pixel about GB £6 and the Yongnuo under GB £10 it's very difficult to justify the extra cost of the Canon. Especially for my intended use, which is in each case attached to a flash bracket where there is no possibility of over-stretch.

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Oh, if only it were that easy. I'd certainly agree that, broadly speaking, the quality is often reflected in the price. But there are plenty of people who shop only on price, assuming that top price equates with top quality. £40 Canon cord or £6 Pixel cord - same guage of wire, same strain-relief measures yet one costs nearly 7 times what the other does. More if you count my two trips into town to order and collect the Canon. They both do the job perfectly; if the Canon breaks I'll be very annoyed indeed, if the Pixel breaks I'll shrug and buy another. Another Pixel! Or Yongnuo! Not Canon.


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Aug 16, 2012 10:12 as a reply to  @ Whortleberry's post |  #11

x_tan wrote in post #14864906 (external link)
Some Of The 3rd Party Junk: Cheap For A Reason !!!

I got this Zeikos ZE-OCSCC Off-Camera Flash Cord for Canon EOS from B&H year or two back, which was the LEAST used item - sitting in front of PC most the time.

Just notice it's cord broke already !!!

I'm going to order a Canon for $70 instead this time!
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darosk wrote in post #14865119 (external link)
Unfortunately I have had the exact same experience with the Canon OEM version, twice. They ended up looking like yours, one within weeks and the other after about half a year of little to no use. I ended up spending on some wireless triggers and haven't looked back since. The only advantages of ocf cords are the ability to ETTL and HSS, both of which I realized I didn't need/use.

Eight_Blade wrote in post #14865677 (external link)
You get what you pay for in everything.

Ummm... OK.


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Aug 16, 2012 18:00 |  #12

Whortleberry wrote in post #14865929 (external link)
...I've just opened up boths ends of one Canon OC-E2, one Yongnuo OC-E3/s and one Pixel FC311 to check. Not a metal ring in sight; they all rely on the strain relief gripping onto the cable sheathing...

Great info, many thanks!

You just save me $70!!


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Aug 16, 2012 18:29 |  #13

You're more than welcome. It was only 24 screws after all - and if it saved you some money into the bargain I'm delighted.

Afterthought: I was thinking about Eight Blade's post. My most troublesome photographic purchase was a top-of-the-range Hasselblad new, direct from the importer, Hasselblad GB, and collected from their offices personally. Failed me twice in 18 months. So even reputation and top price is no guarantee stuff will work! Yes, I had it fixed and got rid PDQ.


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