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Oct 25, 2012 08:50 |  #166

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I got mine just a few weeks ago. Works just fine. You don't want it sliding too easily otherwsie it won't stay where you put it. ::shrug::

Is your strap similar to my first strap or the second one ?


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Oct 25, 2012 09:17 |  #167

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Oct 25, 2012 10:02 as a reply to  @ i-G12's post |  #168

lannes wrote in post #15166622 (external link)
Disappointed , that my new Cinch is not as good as my old one.

The reason is that there is too much friction in the sliding mechanism of the new one caused by the webbing on the leather tab.

If you look at the picture, on the left is the old strap and on the right is the new strap.

You'll notice the old strap has wider webbing attached to the leather strap, this webbing is thinner and of a finer weave to the new strap webbing which is thicker and has a larger weave.
The extra thickness of the new strap webbing causes increased resistance against the main strap which has to slide underneath it, this causes it to jam when you try and pull down the tab.
In the picture you can see the new webbing squashing onto the main strap underneath it, while the old thinner, finer webbing has a lot of clearance.

The thinner original webbing doesn't rub against the main strap and allows it slide easily through, which makes it easy to cinch up the strap

Also because the webbing is thinner in width than the old strap webbing , this allows the leather tab to pivot at an angle causing it to catch and creates more resistance as the force of pulling down the tab is not directed straight along the main strap.
The old strap webbing is about the same width as the leather tab, but the new one has much narrower webbing which causes the problems

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GAKoenig is there someway this can be rectified, as the strap does not work as designed because of the significant extra friction from the thicker and narrower leather tab webbing
The main advantage of the Cinch design makes it quick to shorten the strap, but the extra friction causes it to jam and then the neoprene stretches when you try and pull down the tab further.

Do you have any of the older production run ?

DarthVader wrote in post #15167249 (external link)
That's a problem, where is gakoenig ? :).

Well, POTN isn't the LUMA support site. Try contacting him directly.


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Oct 25, 2012 13:19 |  #169

lannes wrote in post #15166622 (external link)
Disappointed , that my new Cinch is not as good as my old one.

The reason is that there is too much friction in the sliding mechanism of the new one caused by the webbing on the leather tab.

If you look at the picture, on the left is the old strap and on the right is the new strap.

You'll notice the old strap has wider webbing attached to the leather strap, this webbing is thinner and of a finer weave to the new strap webbing which is thicker and has a larger weave.
The extra thickness of the new strap webbing causes increased resistance against the main strap which has to slide underneath it, this causes it to jam when you try and pull down the tab.
In the picture you can see the new webbing squashing onto the main strap underneath it, while the old thinner, finer webbing has a lot of clearance.

The thinner original webbing doesn't rub against the main strap and allows it slide easily through, which makes it easy to cinch up the strap

Also because the webbing is thinner in width than the old strap webbing , this allows the leather tab to pivot at an angle causing it to catch and creates more resistance as the force of pulling down the tab is not directed straight along the main strap.
The old strap webbing is about the same width as the leather tab, but the new one has much narrower webbing which causes the problems

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The main advantage of the Cinch design makes it quick to shorten the strap, but the extra friction causes it to jam and then the neoprene stretches when you try and pull down the tab further.

lannes, I'm glad you brought up this issue. I hope the rectify this problem.

I'm also still waiting to hear back from Luma regarding my exchange. It's been 2 weeks since I heard back from Duncan about a different issue. Not sure why I've heard nothing form them, this has happened on more than one occasion.

Update: just heard something back from Luma today regarding my issue... will report back on the new webbing once I receive the item.




  
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Oct 25, 2012 13:52 |  #170

It's obvious from the pictures they have changed the design.. I'm sure the new one will work, but if it doesn't work as well why change things? If it is to save money and it doesn't work as well I'll be disappointed. I'm still waiting for my order to ship, but this concerns me. I hope we hear something on this soon.


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Oct 25, 2012 14:37 |  #171

Looks like they want to make it stronger maybe too much.

ThreeGuysPhoto wrote in post #15168544 (external link)
It's obvious from the pictures they have changed the design.. I'm sure the new one will work, but if it doesn't work as well why change things? If it is to save money and it doesn't work as well I'll be disappointed. I'm still waiting for my order to ship, but this concerns me. I hope we hear something on this soon.


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Oct 25, 2012 15:39 as a reply to  @ DarthVader's post |  #172

Just received mine. Here are my initial thoughts:

1. I ordered the "big" size. I am 6' and 220lbs and the big strap is perfect. I cannot imagine a smaller strap on me.

2. The build quality is remarkable.

3. It's a little heavier than my Domke strap, but it's primarily due to the squishy stuff inside the neoprene shoulder pad. The fittings are all aluminum and very light.

4. I definitely need some sort of QR system with swivels because I can see the strap getting tangled without some swivel clips.

5. Once on, the pad is extremely comfortable on the shoulder. The adjustment strap is very smooth, but not loose and is very easy to use.

Looking forward to putting it to the test. I also need to QR system because I have it attached to the bottom of the grip same as lannes in a previous post. However, I often remove the grip when I go into the city or on mini-vacations to make the camera lighter to carry. I would need a QR to attach to the tripod mount or the other body mount to interchange easier and quicker. Other than that, I'm sold. Excellent product from Luma!


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Oct 25, 2012 17:37 |  #173

xeodragon wrote in post #15168424 (external link)
lannes, I'm glad you brought up this issue. I hope the rectify this problem.

I'm also still waiting to hear back from Luma regarding my exchange. It's been 2 weeks since I heard back from Duncan about a different issue. Not sure why I've heard nothing form them, this has happened on more than one occasion.

Update: just heard something back from Luma today regarding my issue... will report back on the new webbing once I receive the item.

Yes I was a bit disappointed with cinching action on the latest strap, unfortunately I don't think it will wear in over time. The first strap is great the cinching up action is perfect, the second one gets hung up all the time.
I've sent a message to their support area, I'll report back on their response.

What was your problem ?


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Oct 25, 2012 17:54 |  #174

I'm debating canceling my membrane connector with the quick release mechanism around the corner. Hmmm...


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Oct 25, 2012 18:12 |  #175

lehmanncpa wrote in post #15168970 (external link)
1. I ordered the "big" size. I am 6' and 220lbs and the big strap is perfect. I cannot imagine a smaller strap on me.

Interesting, I'm 6'1" and same "slim" weight and Greg told me to order a "regular" size. Now I have doubts.


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Oct 25, 2012 19:03 |  #176

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Interesting, I'm 6'1" and same "slim" weight and Greg told me to order a "regular" size. Now I have doubts.

I think you'll be fine, but you'll have to loosen the back strap. I have mine at 1/4 slack (3/4 remaining). With the normal, you might have to loosen 3/4 and have 1/4 remaining.

I also like to have it low on the hip and in Toronto winters (half the year), I wear lots of heavy jackets and coats that require me to loosen the strap even more.


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Oct 25, 2012 20:29 |  #177

328iGuy wrote in post #15157972 (external link)
Great, more money to spend on Luma! :lol:

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I finally found (online I mean) what I was looking for originally as I have only one of these:

http://global.itwnexus​.com/content/structsur​e-hook (external link)

That is cool too.


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Oct 25, 2012 22:46 |  #178

It's obvious from the pictures they have changed the design.. I'm sure the new one will work, but if it doesn't work as well why change things? If it is to save money and it doesn't work as well I'll be disappointed. I'm still waiting for my order to ship, but this concerns me. I hope we hear something on this soon.

We didn't change the design. The person assembling pull-tabs may have gotten confused and put the wrong webbing on. We have some thicker 3/4" webbing around for prototype work and he must have used it instead of the thinner webbing we use on the pull-tab.

I don't know how many units went out like this, but if you've got one where the slide mechanism seems super stiff, we will be happy to swap it out for you ASAP.


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Oct 26, 2012 00:17 |  #179

Ducan from Luma labs support has contacted me to arrange a replacement for the problem strap, so thanks to Luma Labs for the prompt response.


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Oct 26, 2012 06:40 |  #180

gakoenig wrote in post #15170380 (external link)
I don't know how many units went out like this, but if you've got one where the slide mechanism seems super stiff, we will be happy to swap it out for you ASAP.

Mine works great. My Cinch was ordered on 9/26, was shipped out on 10/13 and I received it yesterday (just in case you need that information to determine what batch the faulty one may have been in).


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