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Exposure calibration - How to test if metering is correct

 
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Aug 18, 2012 09:26 |  #1

Photos seem slightly dark on new 5D mk3. Probably just me not being used to it, but I would like to do some kind of simple test to see if metering is performing "correctly". I imagine some standard items (sheet of paper?) would give a specific histogram that I could compare with?

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Aug 18, 2012 10:42 |  #2

In order to calibrate a meter, you need another meter whose calibration is traceable to a known standard.

You should completely forget the histogram for "calibration", as it does not show anything about the light levels coming from the elements in the scene that you are photographing. It merely shows the distribution of different brightness levels in the recorded scene.

You could shoot some photos of ordinary outdoor scenes and post them here and we who have calibrated monitors can tell you if they look proper or whether or not you might want to use exposure compensation in your camera.


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Aug 18, 2012 13:10 |  #3

Thanks SkipD:

Here are 2 random images. exif should be preserved. No exposure compensation used. These are from RAW using DPP without me doing any adjustments:

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Both taken on overcast day at the beach. How "accurately" are they exposed?

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Aug 18, 2012 13:30 |  #4

In my experience, shooting when overcast will almost always result in under exposure. Many times I end up dialing in +1 and sometimes as much as +2 EC.


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Aug 18, 2012 14:30 |  #5

Martin Dixon wrote in post #14874872 (external link)
TThese are from RAW using DPP without me doing any adjustments:

Those exposures are off by several stops from the old standby "Sunny 16" guideline.

I think you may be being fooled by DPP's actions. Try shooting in .JPG mode and see how things look then. After that, we can tackle the RAW conversions.


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Aug 18, 2012 15:59 |  #6

They are a few stops off, however as stated above the overcast day is going to provide a bit softer light and more difused.

The meter on the camera is never going to be 100%.


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Aug 18, 2012 16:34 |  #7

If you really want to know where the cameras meter stands, you can get a gray card (18% gray), light it evenly and set up the camera so it is only metering off of the gray card (spot metering). Make sure your WB is right and then take a picture with the meter reading centered for the gray card. Open it in PS and check the values. The values for the gray card should be close to 128/128/128.
Granted you can't calibrate the cameras meter this way, but it will tell you if the meter is going to slightly under or slightly over expose the scene. Of course, outside it is a moot point if you can't recognize the tonal values of the scene and understand how the camera would meter them..;)


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Aug 18, 2012 17:07 |  #8

I brought it into LR4 and it looks better pushed 1 - 1 1/3 stops but I have no idea how dark the overcast was that day or exactly what tone the sand should be. +2 looks way overexposed to me so I'd say calling it underexposed by "several stops" is a bit of an exaggeration. Your exif didn't show the metering mode. I'm guessing evaluative. The light colored sand is going to make the camera underexpose just like shooting someone with a white wall behind them will.




  
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Aug 18, 2012 18:29 |  #9

Slow your roll. ;) Add 1/2 stop exposure when metering with an 18% gray card. The instructions on the back of the card should say this but most people don't bother to read instructions. The meter is calibrated for about 12.5% gray not 18%. The story (I don't know if it is true or not) is the cards are 18% because Ansel Adams wanted it that way for the zone system. Kodak wanted 12% but Ansel Adams won the argument. Seriously, this is not a joke and it's a pain in the @$$. :(

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If you really want to know where the cameras meter stands, you can get a gray card (18% gray), light it evenly and set up the camera so it is only metering off of the gray card (spot metering). Make sure your WB is right and then take a picture with the meter reading centered for the gray card. Open it in PS and check the values. The values for the gray card should be close to 128/128/128.
Granted you can't calibrate the cameras meter this way, but it will tell you if the meter is going to slightly under or slightly over expose the scene. Of course, outside it is a moot point if you can't recognize the tonal values of the scene and understand how the camera would meter them..;)




  
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Aug 18, 2012 23:47 as a reply to  @ Boss302's post |  #10

An 18% reflectance card is actually about 12.5% (it's a long story). However, you can shoot a blank sheet of paper, a gray card, a white balance card, or just about any other solid featureless neutral object and all should result in the image having the same brightness of about middle gray. Canon typically has their nominal exposure set about a third stop below this point for better contrast and saturation of in-camera JPG images.


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Aug 19, 2012 00:58 |  #11

Martin Dixon wrote in post #14874872 (external link)
... Both taken on overcast day at the beach. How "accurately" are they exposed?

The accuracy of the exposure for the second image is exactly as expected. The lighting is very flat and the luminance values of the sky, water and beach all are clustered around middle gray as shown in the luminance histogram below. Almost everything falls between the two blue lines marked on the histogram. If the image were underexposed, the cluster of data would have been shifted to the left. In order to have a histogrfam with a broader distribution of data (i.e., more dynamic range) would require lighting that creates shadows. Otherwise, this is to be expected.

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If the image was saved as a raw file, it could be processed to enhance the tonal range at the expense of increased noise, but it still will not look like a bright sunny day.

BTW, the Sunny-16 rule has nothing at all to do with the exposure for this image.

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Aug 19, 2012 10:36 |  #12

Boss302 wrote in post #14875719 (external link)
Slow your roll. ;) Add 1/2 stop exposure when metering with an 18% gray card. The instructions on the back of the card should say this but most people don't bother to read instructions. The meter is calibrated for about 12.5% gray not 18%. The story (I don't know if it is true or not) is the cards are 18% because Ansel Adams wanted it that way for the zone system. Kodak wanted 12% but Ansel Adams won the argument. Seriously, this is not a joke and it's a pain in the @$$. :(

I'm aware of that yet it has no bearing on the technique. It's not my technique, but one that I've used. Although it's designed to calibrated a light meter to a camera. You can see the technique explained here:http://www.frankdoorho​f.com …t-meter-some-quick-notes/ (external link)

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One thing I have to add.
There are a lot of people out there debating the 128.128.128 issue. Some claim it’s more in the neighborhood of 119.119.119 or slightly lower, often that’s based on the 12-12.5% gray. And although that indeed can be the case you have to remember that EVERY COLORSPACE has a different “gamma” curve, my workflow is ProphotoRGB and setting the camera/meter combination on 128.128.128 for that colorspace in MY workflow is the way it works flawless. However this is also highly depending on the curves used in the software etc. there are many variables. Also remember we are not talking about HOW the meter meters, but how the ENDRESULT looks on screen and in that case I’m of the opinion that if I shoot an 18% gray card that in MY workflow this card should be rendered as 128.128.128. It’s not about how the meter works, or how colorspaces or LAB plots the middlepoint, what we’re doing with calibration the meter to the camera we are setting a reference point in which in YOUR workflow the meter is accurate.


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