Colour Space Hell ***HELP***PLEASE***

Colour Space Confusion
Hi I’m looking for some help to understand what is happening on my PC with Ph’s colour space. CS5

Firstly I use a 5dmkii which is set to sRGB on the camera. I then use a cable to get them onto my PC.

Opening these photos in any other program (I use Irfanview) the images look fine right out of the camera. If I then bring them into Ph straight away the colours look wrong with very strong reds. If I then make adjustments to the colours in Ph and save that file when I open it in others programs it looks horribly washed out and the same carries right through to the printer.

In the colour settings box I have set my colour space to the richer Adobe (RGB) 1998 but I get the same results with sRGB IEC61966-2.1

Do you know why am I getting this colour change and how do I get Ph set correctly so what I see on the screen is what comes out of my printer and on the web is as I need it to be. Right now I just can’t use Ph as it is.

I've done a lot of reading about this and have many links explaining how to set colour space but my issue above doesn't seem to include any solution to this isssue.

Thanks!

I presume that Ph is your moniker for CS5. If that is the case you have to be sure that you are converting the color profile rather than just assigning it.

Other than that it could be a number of things that will require much more detailed information to understand.

What "other programs"? For instance, the utility that you use can make a difference, too. Windoze Explorer isn't color managed, & some browsers aren't either. And Photoshop needs to be set up correctly, too.

Rene's thread: Have you calibrated your monitor?

What's "Color Management"?

Firefox and wide gamut - images sometimes oversaturated includes link to "why does my JPEG image appears as different in other image viewers?"
and Wilt's:
"Difference in photos shown in Chrome and Internet Explorer"

If your photo JPG file was not created by the camera in aRGB, you should never set your color space to work in the aRGB colorspace...creating an sRGB file and work with it in aRGB is asking for problems.

If you shoot RAW, the camera color space is not relevant other than for generation of the JPG preview image which is written into the RAW file; RAW data itself has no color space. In that case, you can set the RAW conversion from RAW into whatever color space you desire. However...

• For most folks, who display images on the web and who go to most of the commonly availalbe commercial printers, set sRGB as the color space simply because most commercial printers are unable to properly print from aRGB files (and conversion for aRGB into sRGB is not the best way to proceed...it can create more issues!) and web displays are all sRGB based.
  
• For folks who own home printers which directly support aRGB, taking a RAW file and outputting aRGB printing works fine.
  

I apologise if I am butting into this thread but it is very relevant to some thoughts I am having at the moment so I might perhaps get some guidance .
I currently have both cameras and CS5 set to the default of sRGB and use a calibrated IPS monitor for editing.
Those photos which I decide are worth keeping are shown on an uncalibrated Xoom tablet or via a link to an uncalibrated flat screen TV.
When I do decide to print anything I use a specialist lab and apply their specific printer profile to a converted .jpg file.
I understand that aRGB occupies a larger area of the colour diagram than sRGB but to all intents and purposes if I were to change to aRGB on both the cameras and the software will I see any improvement or will I make matters over complicated.
Many years ago ( more than I care to remember ) I studied colour physics as part of my professional qualification in Dyeing but I regret to say that age has taken its toll and now I can't remember it.

troutfisher,

I shoot and upload in aRGB and only switch to sRGB if I want to upload to the web, which is rare. However I have to say I have never noticed one iota of difference between the two colour spaces. Any differences are too small for my eyes.

dmward wrote in post #14877990
I presume that Ph is your moniker for CS5. If that is the case you have to be sure that you are converting the color profile rather than just assigning it.

Other than that it could be a number of things that will require much more detailed information to understand.

nope I'm not converting anything. If you read my post I say my camera is set to sRGB and so is photoshop and this is why I'm confused about getting this colour change. It's also the same if I download a photo and open in ph and then if i save it. when i open it it's all washed out in all other viewers.

Ok. Here's a screenshot for you. Nope, sorry dunno how to do that.


The pic on the left is right out the camera. The pic on the right is after I have dropped and draged the file into photoshop. You see it's really red. Some peoples faces can look terrible when this happens. I haven't done any colour space changes. It's using the sRGB IEC61966-2.1 space as it's set up from cam to photoshop.

snappy7 wrote in post #14879731
nope I'm not converting anything. If you read my post I say my camera is set to sRGB and so is photoshop and this is why I'm confused about getting this colour change. It's also the same if I download a photo and open in ph and then if i save it. when i open it it's all washed out in all other viewers.

If that is happening some color setting in Photoshop is set to a weird color space.

Not sure where the reassignment is occurring but it is happening. Since things are getting red and washed out is sounds like, someplace Photoshop is changing the color space from RGB to a CMYK space.

You are going to have to look at all your color settings and see where one of them doesn't make sense.

Have a read here: https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=707058

PS Color settings: http://www.getcolorman​aged.com …nagement/pscolo​rsettings/
Color managed vs. non-colormanaged viewers: http://www.getcolorman​aged.com/color-management/saveforweb/

If you shoot raw, it doesn't matter what color space your camera is set to use: The color space is determined in the Raw converter. For instance ACR:

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IMAGE LINK: https://skitch.com/ren​edamkot/qj87/fullscree​n

IMAGE LINK: https://skitch.com …amkot/9ymw/colo​r-settings

troutfisher wrote in post #14878231
I understand that aRGB occupies a larger area of the colour diagram than sRGB but to all intents and purposes if I were to change to aRGB on both the cameras and the software will I see any improvement or will I make matters over complicated.

Only if the image contains colors outside sRGB and your printer can print them. Otherwise sRGB will be fine.

For displaying on non- color managed applications on non calibrated screens, you are guessing anyway, so sRGB will probably be best (see my 3rd link in the previous post)

If you've got specific questions, it would be best to create a specific thread…

snappy7 wrote in post #14879757
Ok. Here's a screenshot for you. Nope, sorry dunno how to do that..

Ctrl+PrtScr, paste the clipboard into a program like Photoshop or even Microsoft Paint, and File Save as a JPG file, download to your favorite photo share site, then insert the link on POTN.

ok thanks.

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Wilt wrote in post #14882237
Ctrl+PrtScr, paste the clipboard into a program like Photoshop or even Microsoft Paint, and File Save as a JPG file, download to your favorite photo share site, then insert the link on POTN.

i did just as u said but the pic never appeared

snappy7 wrote in post #14894305
i did just as u said but the pic never appeared

I just did this sequence...

1. opened Paint Shop Pro,
   
2. started a New file,
   
3. did Ctrl+PrtScrn of the current screen (which was displaying some posts with photos in POTN),
   
4. did Ctrl+V to paste it into the PSP document -- and the same information that was previously on my screen was pasted in.
   
5. Then I did File Save to store the file,
   
6. open Photobucket and
   
7. select the Upload button to copy the file into Photobucket,
   
8. then click on the 'IMG code' text to copy that code to my Clipboard,
   
9. and then Ctrl+V that code within the POTN text that I was composint.