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Aug 20, 2012 10:21 |  #1

Hello All,
I have a sequence of shots taken in the ladies dressing room (AKA bathroom) and want to know if you think my edit is spot on, because I will use those parameters for the rest of the images if so.

Otherwise, please feel free to edit the original yourself in getting correct color/exposure but keep in mind I only have PE 8 and DPP, so it must be with those programs or similar. The dressing room was a bright bluish (teil) color and I bounced the flash, hence the very cool colors in the original.

Also....

1) I don't feel a catchlight is necessary but would you suggest adding one?

2) What considerations do you use for Temperature if any?

Anyhow, I adjusted the RAW image in PE 8 as follows(some automatic, some manual).

Increased Temp: 3850 > 4500
Blacks: 2 > 5
Contrast: 25 > 45
Saturation: 0 > 3
Brightness; 50 > 75
Exposure: + 0.05

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P.S. I don't typically choose to share photos, in consideration of others privacy, but may inquire with some unique edit suggestions. I would like to present some really nice images to the Bride/Groom and admire much of what is presented here...


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Aug 20, 2012 11:28 |  #2

Correct the WB, brighten the eyes and take it from there...


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Aug 20, 2012 12:13 |  #3

Ralph,
Here is a screen capture from Lightroom with my adjustments to your JPG original.
There is a green cast that is hard to eliminate. Hopefully you can do better with the RAW.
There are three gradation adjustments that aren't visible on the screen clip editing. They were all applied to the right side to tone down the arm an wall.

It looks like this was available light without flash, even bounced. Bouncing a flash may have helped with the green cast in the skin shadows.


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Aug 20, 2012 14:32 as a reply to  @ dmward's post |  #4

Thanks for the input guys. I'm still learning RAW and the necessary digital editing, so you'll have to be a little patient. Things I didn't have to know with my 35mm.

Typically, I shoot jpeg and then just tweak the images to preference. I know you can go into PE and set the White Balance by getting the RGB numbers close, tutorial HERE (external link). However, I can only get two numbers to match with one being 22 points higher. Anyhow, my image comes out hideously red with manual adjustment. There is an "auto" RGB feature though, so I provided an image with that below. It still seems a little cool as if it needs a little more color added?

I knew my edit was a little too saturated or red, but wanted to get a quick response before delving further. BTW, the "original" I uploaded above is actually the unedited RAW image converted to jpeg. I shot in RAW/JPEG mode, so the original jpeg image is below.

What is the best way to set WB in Photoshop Elements or DPP; otherwise, what is the best way to attack this? Should I use the auto WB control and then just add a little more color?

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Aug 20, 2012 15:22 |  #5

That is some yucky color. I fiddled with it for a few minutes, but I could never achieve anything I'd really consider good with the color.. So.. B&W? It'll make your life easier than trying to kill that green/cyan.

BTW, your edit is still pretty under.. underexposure always makes bad colors worse..


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Aug 20, 2012 15:36 |  #6

I quick attempt during lunch.

A couple of adjustment layers in CS5.

I know you don't have Photoshop, but it gives you an idea of what it's capable of.

Curves adjustments in the Red and Green channels.

Another Composite RGB curves adjustment to take care of the underexposure.

does Elements have a hue slider in the WB adjustment?


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Aug 20, 2012 16:58 as a reply to  @ windpig's post |  #7

Ok, Windpig's attempt seems to be more natural or at least on the right trek? Does that seem to be the case with the rest of you?

I can go into DPP and use a dropper tool to select an area with RGB around 150, 150, 150 (as another post stated) in getting White Balance. I was able to use an area on her pearl earrings in getting fairly close to those numbers. My result seems very close to what Windpig came up with (prior to uploading anyhow).

I then increased the Brightness in Photoshop Elements and came up with the following image. Is this more along the lines of what the image should look like exposure and color wise? Once I get that down I can hopefully batch process the others and then come back to tweak some things (eye's, contrast), etc.

Thanks for the help!!!

P.S. I can really tell from this edit how far off the other's were and why I wanted your help. This really seems to be closer to what I wanted and much better than my other attempts. Feedback, please....


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Aug 20, 2012 17:14 |  #8

More betta for sure.


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Aug 20, 2012 18:35 |  #9

windpig wrote in post #14883873 (external link)
More betta for sure.

Thanks windpig.

Is this color at least close to where it should be at this point and what more should be done, as your reply infers such? Specifics please...

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Aug 20, 2012 21:45 |  #10

Hi Ralph

It still looks like it has a blue/green color cast.

Here's a try using DPP. It's still kinda tough with the limited tools.


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Aug 20, 2012 22:11 |  #11

I do think the newest edit is much, much better although there is still green in the shadows. I still vote B&W :P


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Aug 20, 2012 22:55 |  #12

Post #6 is probably the best.
It may be that her ear ring or terra are the most neutral reference points.

And, as mentioned, when color balance is really tough B&W is a good alternative.
It also pays, if you don't have a color checker to shoot in unusual lighting conditions, to have a shot with an acceptable white reference, bride's dress, groom's shirt. The reason I then to use them is because they are most likely to be in an image in any of the various lighting scenarios found throughout the day.

What I'm suggesting is that you find an image in this light that has a known white reference in it. Use that to set the white balance then work on the keepers.


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Aug 21, 2012 01:10 |  #13

I notice that the walls in the background are blueish /green. perhaps a color cast that shifted the WB way off. windpig's image is most natural looking. um yeah, I say B&W. :)




  
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Aug 21, 2012 01:32 as a reply to  @ iMAGEN STUDIOS's post |  #14

My laptops calibration must be off some, as the colors are slightly different vs my wife's desktop. Windpigs image has a red hue to it on my computer with my image appearing more natural. I however can still see the bluish tent in my #7 edit on my wifes computer. Windpigs #6 looks best to me as David states, but still appears a little too red on each of our computers? It would seem to lay somewhere between #6 and #7...

I may end up going B/W with these bathroom shots but would still like your feedback in getting the best "color" out of it. It's a learning process and your feedback is helping. Yes, it was a tiny bathroom and painted bright tiel, wall to wall.

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Aug 21, 2012 10:09 |  #15

This is what i would do to it. The colors looks ok on my crappy laptop (Not calibrated). Might look different on yours guys...

Sharpened a bit eyes,hair,libs and eye brows with a high pass.
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