? Manual Exposure in 'M' mode on T4i ?

You're being pedantic (or something). The camera has a function for the user to set called EC. That function allows the user to tell the camera to override the calculated exposure settings by 1 stop (or whatever). The EC function is not available in manual mode. It is not available in manual mode. The camera setting called EC is ignored in manual mode. I could go on.

Of course (duh) you can manually set an exposure different from what the built-in meter tells you in manual mode. Again, duh!

But, the camera function called Exposure Compensation is not functional when in manual mode.

PixelMagic wrote in post #14896904
That's only Exposure Compensation if your entire world consists of 18% grey.

Your argument should be with Canon since they clearly state, in your own 60D Manual no less, that EC is only available in Tv, AV and P modes.

I prefer to think my argument is with people who doggedly stick to something they learned incorrectly, without even trying to see if their argument makes any sense. If you shoot in manual mode and the needle is NOT centered when you press the shutter button, you are using your own brain to accomplish exposure compensation. It is actually the same brain you would use to dial in EC in Av or Tv modes.

The manual clearly states the the camera will not do EC for you. It does not state that you have to take all your shots in Manual mode with the needle centered. Using your brain to compensate for the what the meter is suggesting is EC! What part of that is proving so difficult for people to understand?

RTPVid wrote in post #14896946
You're being pedantic (or something). The camera has a function for the user to set called EC. That function allows the user to tell the camera to override the calculated exposure settings by 1 stop (or whatever). The EC function is not available in manual mode. It is not available in manual mode. The camera setting called EC is ignored in manual mode. I could go on.

Of course (duh) you can manually set an exposure different from what the built-in meter tells you in manual mode. Again, duh!

But, the camera function called Exposure Compensation is not functional when in manual mode.

And again, thank you for agreeing with me. Just because the camera won't do it does NOT mean it can't be done! This conversation started by someone suggesting that EC is not available in Manual mode. Bunk! It is. You just have to do it yourself, as you stated.

maverick75 wrote in post #14896982
It working as it should be, you didn't take in consideration the focal length. Zoom in all the way and you'll see what I mean.

I went back and actually snapped the picture. I forgot that part when moving slider around. Yes, it does work nicely.

TSchrief wrote in post #14896979
And again, thank you for agreeing with me. Just because the camera won't do it does NOT mean it can't be done! This conversation started by someone suggesting that EC is not available in Manual mode. Bunk! It is. You just have to do it yourself, as you stated.

The OP was a beginner. Your stand is confusing for a beginner.

The camera function called EC like he was used to on his previous P&S does not work in manual mode. It is ignored in manual mode. It can't be set in manual mode.

If a beginner is trying to find it in manual mode based on your insistence that it is available, he will just become more confused.

Manually compensating because you don't want to follow the built in light meter is the very definition of manual mode. But, once again, that is NOT the camera function called Exposure Compensation. That function does not work in manual mode.

You are technically correct and yet wrong.

RTPVid wrote in post #14897006
The OP was a beginner. Your stand is confusing for a beginner.

The camera function called EC like he was used to on his previous P&S does not work in manual mode. It is ignored in manual mode. It can't be set in manual mode.

If a beginner is trying to find it in manual mode based on your insistence that it is available, he will just become more confused.

Manually compensating because you don't want to follow the built in light meter is the very definition of manual mode. But, once again, that is NOT the camera function called Exposure Compensation. That function does not work in manual mode.

You are technically correct and yet wrong.

Ok. That I understand. Finally, I guess some would say. I don't want to confuse the OP, and I definitely don't want to make enemies on POTN. I have learned a lot about digital photography here. Now if I could just stop nit-picking the snot out of small (essentially meaningless) details in someone else's post.... My apologies to any and all who were offended by my dogged insistence.

And if this isn't confusing enough already: How about trying exposure compensation while in manual mode with ISO set to Auto.

rrblint wrote in post #14897064
And if this isn't confusing enough already: How about trying exposure compensation while in manual mode with ISO set to Auto.

I'll bite. Is that even possible? I don't think my 60D will do that.

RTPVid wrote in post #14897006
The OP was a beginner. Your stand is confusing for a beginner.

The camera function called EC like he was used to on his previous P&S does not work in manual mode. It is ignored in manual mode. It can't be set in manual mode.

If a beginner is trying to find it in manual mode based on your insistence that it is available, he will just become more confused.

Manually compensating because you don't want to follow the built in light meter is the very definition of manual mode. But, once again, that is NOT the camera function called Exposure Compensation. That function does not work in manual mode.

You are technically correct and yet wrong.

^^ THIS! ^^

TSchrief wrote in post #14897100
I'll bite. Is that even possible? I don't think my 60D will do that.

This is where EC is impossible...If you try to under or over expose using SS or Aperture, the ISO will automatically correct for what the camera deems to be "correct" exposure...Unless it is topped or bottomed out...But now we are really confusing the OP...:o

Madwrench wrote in post #14897111
^^ THIS! ^^

I just noticed your signature. I think you've accurately described why I still take mostly snaps of my cats, even with all this gear.

TSchrief wrote in post #14897046
... definitely don't want to make enemies on POTN. ...Now if I could just stop nit-picking the snot out of small (essentially meaningless) details in someone else's post.... My apologies to any and all who were offended by my dogged insistence.

No worries. I can nit-pick with the best of them. All is good.

Heh, dont worry about confusing me. Im not THAT much of a beginner. Just had a couple bad habits and misunderstandings to shake out of my head!

Again, thank you all for helping me out

lostear wrote in post #14897550
Heh, dont worry about confusing me. Im not THAT much of a beginner. Just had a couple bad habits and misunderstandings to shake out of my head!

Again, thank you all for helping me out

We all had to learn somewhere(I'm still learning after 40 yrs.)...Keep shooting and enjoy your T4i!...The more you shoot, the more you'll learn...It never ends.

I can relate. I was just on vacation with my brother who is a 'power P&S user' if that makes any sense. He knew what he wanted to do, but when he had my S95 he'd ask me how to do something and use the 'incorrect' terminology and I'd tell him something completely different. He'd just look at me with that 'huh' expression and I'd know he meant something else.

I can see how not having EC in 'M' would be confusing for a compact user when that is all they have had to try to control exposure.

You'll pick it up quickly enough.