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Aug 26, 2012 03:26 |  #31

This is a perfect example of some big mistakes people make buying gear and trying to shoot the photos themselves.

You've got a $1500 camera and a relatively inexpensive "multi-purpose" kit lens to use on it. That's the first mistake.

The lenses make the image... the camera just captures what the lens "sees". You'd have been better off buying a $1500 lens and a $500 camera. The 7D is loaded up with features that are completely unnecessary to shoot still product shots like these. The image quality of a T2i/550D is virtually identical to the 7D.

I'm sorry, but the other mistake is that you sound as if you hardly know an f-stop from a filter from a focal plane. Yet you expect to be able to pick up a complex, professionally oriented camera and produce pro quality work at the push of a button. I'm not saying this to be nasty, but there are 4 year programs at Brooks Institute to learn to shoot products well... Some people think all they need to do is buy a fancy camera with a kit lens and start snapping away. Maybe they might would have done better to put the money spent on the photo gear toward hiring an experienced pro to take the shots - someone who has the right gear and knows how to use it - and left the photography up to them. It's amazing to me... How people today think of photography, that it's just automatic and easy to do. Cameras are actually more complex than they have ever been. And the 7D in particular is one of the more complex models to use.

But, that's water under the bridge, so some specifics...

Some of the previously posted info is wrong... if you want maximum sharpness, you should not stop your lens down beyond f8. After that you'll start to see diffraction robbing fine detail increasingly... you'd see a lot of loss to diffraction at small apertures such as f16 and f22, using a crop sensor camera.

You also need to drop the ISO to 200 or, at most, 400. Since you are using a tripod, there should be no problem with the slower shutter speeds you need to use.... but you might need to use mirror lockup and a remote release or the self-timer.

I'd shoot the product with my full frame 5D Mark II that allows me to use smaller apertures.... though they probably aren't really necessary for a product shot like this, so long as the focus is set up at the hyperfocal distance to put the planes of the subject within the depth of field. I'd use either a TS-E 45mm or 90mm lens, depending upon the size of the item and the working distance available. Sorry, but those are $1000 lenses.

If I were using one of my 7Ds instead, I'd use the 45mm TS-E or a 50mm to 60mm macro lens. A 100mm would require too much working distance.

But you should be able to do pretty well with the 18-135.

Regarding IS... I believe the 18-135mm is one of the lenses where you should turn IS off when you have the camera and lens locked down on a tripod. At any rate, IS isn't needed, so you might as well turn it off just to be safe. Some lenses with less fancy versions of IS can go into a sort of feedback loop when on a tripod, where IS actually causes movement, rather than correcting for it. Some of the more expensive IS lenses sense when they are on a tripod and turn IS off themselves.

of course i will not do shrpning and put it here and tell you guys why i don't get sharp images!

You are aware that all images require sharpening, aren't you? Especially 7D images. Straight from the camera they tend to look soft. If you look at the example Sandpiper sharpened, it's a big difference from your original image.


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Aug 26, 2012 07:49 |  #32

amfoto1 wrote in post #14907631 (external link)
This is a perfect example of some big mistakes people make buying gear and trying to shoot the photos themselves.

You've got a $1500 camera and a relatively inexpensive "multi-purpose" kit lens to use on it. That's the first mistake.

The guy comes here for a bit of advice and he gets a rant about how he is riddled with mistakes and how ignorant he is? Sheesh Don't you know people study for FOUR YEARS for this stuff?

Some of the previously posted info is wrong... if you want maximum sharpness, you should not stop your lens down beyond f8. You also need to drop the ISO to 200 or, at most, 400.


ah - some advice at last.

A Canon 50mm macro 2.5 is about $200 second hand, and is very sharp - probably ideal for what you want.


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Aug 26, 2012 09:08 |  #33

NotASpeckOfCereal wrote in post #14907992 (external link)
A Canon 50mm macro 2.5 is about $200 second hand, and is very sharp - probably ideal for what you want.

For your camera and the non-$1000 price you specified, this (or Canon EF-S 60mm or the Sigma 50mm) is your best bet. Better is what amfoto1 suggested, a TS (but much more money).

Technically to minimize vibration (lessen blur) - As was suggested IS off when on tripod (with your 18-135 lens), get a remote to fire the camera, and learn to lock the mirror up (just use live view on your 7D).


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Aug 29, 2012 12:28 |  #34

amfoto1 + jimewall have it right.

In a nutshell: Low ISO, Tripod, F 8.0, 50mm Macro or 60mm EF-S Macro, mirror lock-up.

If F8 does not give you enough depth of field you need to take 10 minutes and learn to do focus stacking in photoshop or specialized app that does focus stacking.


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Aug 29, 2012 12:45 |  #35

RogerC11 wrote in post #14905801 (external link)
Yea, you should try shooting at small apertures like f11-f16.

That's too small and you are going to get softness from diffraction.

The sweet spot on most lenses is around F/5.6-F/8. OP needs to use the aperture which is optimal for their specific lens.


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Aug 29, 2012 12:51 |  #36

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yes it was ON when i shoot that picture!

Turn IS OFF when using a tripod.


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Aug 29, 2012 12:56 |  #37

It's right at your $1,000 price, but I've seen used TS-E lenses for sale in the $900 range. Those are usually going to give you better results for product shots, as mentioned above.


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Aug 29, 2012 13:07 |  #38

I just scanned through the rest of the thread and I didn't see anyone else mention it, so I would also suggest that you move to a flash/strobe setup if you are going to be taking pictures like this routinely. Strobes eliminate the problems of any minute camera shake / longer exposures which may also contribute to softness problems provided that you completely overpower ambient light.


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Sep 11, 2012 11:18 |  #39

SoCalTiger wrote in post #14922487 (external link)
I just scanned through the rest of the thread and I didn't see anyone else mention it, so I would also suggest that you move to a flash/strobe setup if you are going to be taking pictures like this routinely. Strobes eliminate the problems of any minute camera shake / longer exposures which may also contribute to softness problems provided that you completely overpower ambient light.

Great advice. I started with a lowly T2i, 18-55 and 55-250, and strobes to get me to f/8, 1/200s and ISO 100 which produced great results.




  
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Sep 11, 2012 13:17 |  #40

bigVinnie wrote in post #14922353 (external link)
amfoto1 + jimewall have it right.

In a nutshell: Low ISO, Tripod, F 8.0, 50mm Macro or 60mm EF-S Macro, mirror lock-up.

If F8 does not give you enough depth of field you need to take 10 minutes and learn to do focus stacking in photoshop or specialized app that does focus stacking.

I agree about f/8 (or even f/11) and a lower ISO (I like to use ISO 160) on my 7D. Turn off IS and shoot with either a remote release or with your camera's self timer to reduce shake caused when you trip your shutter. Ensure that your tripod is sturdy.

Shoot in RAW and get an editing program such as Photshop Elements and learn how to sharpen your images. Yes, focus stacking can help but, for this type of image, it should not be necesssary for this type of shot.

Get some lighting equipment and learn how to use it. The equipment doesn't need to be expensive. Here is a possibility for inanimate object photography:
http://www.ebay.com …ain_0&hash=item​25745316c4 (external link)

I agree that the 18-135mm lens is not the sharpest knife in the drawer (and certainly not the lens I would choose to pair with a great camera such as the 7D), but, shooting at f/8 or f/11 it should be adequate (as long as you properly sharpen your images).

On the other hand, one of the 50mm prime lenses: Canon f/1.8 Mkii, Canon f/1.4 or Sigma f/1.4, could be better choices as would be the various 50-60mm macros on the market now. All the affore mentioned lenses are less than $500 - with the f/1.8 Mkii right around a hundred dollars.

By the way, the 7D has a wonderful capability which are the three user controlled modes. You can select all of the parameters (ISO, shutter lock, etc.) you need beforehand and register them to the camera in one of the three modes. Then simply twist the mode dial to be set up for your product photography. Note: You cannot turn the IS on and off with the mode dial since this is controlled on the lens...


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Sep 11, 2012 14:10 |  #41

If you're shooting indoors, I would suggest the EF-S 60mm Macro. 100mm might be a little long.


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Sep 11, 2012 17:08 |  #42

TSchrief wrote in post #14905848 (external link)
Ditto on the NO FILTERS. I quit using them completely when I saw how badly they affected my IQ on my brand new 100-400L. Tested two or three other lenses, then trashed all my filters. Well, I kept the CP and the GND; those are special purpose items.

Just want to say; it depends on situation. Use good filters; and use them when it's matters. I keep a UV on my 24-105L while traveling or running around in a group of people; but don't use a filter when taking a landscape shot or portrait session (as in; in a more controlled environment.) In Prague; my filter was trashed multiple times; but I'd much rather clean the filter than the lens itself.


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Sep 11, 2012 17:18 |  #43

Canon EF-S 60
http://www.dpreview.co​m …5/2/17/canon_ef​s60mmmacro (external link)
plus canon ef extension tube for really small jewellry detail
http://www.dpreview.co​m …5/2/17/canon_ef​s60mmmacro (external link)

or Tamron 90
http://www.the-digital-picture.com …Di-Macro-Lens-Review.aspx (external link)

plus these for tiny jewellry details also can be used with the EF_S 60 if you don't want to get the canon one

http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …o_Extension_Tub​e_Set.html (external link)




  
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