***** ROUND 2: ALPHABET-PHOTOS *****

Queue up the models!

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drsilver wrote in post #19381990
Now wait a minute, Roy. While both 'Night' and 'time', individually, can be nouns, if you hyphenate them, the result becomes a compound adjective. If you take the hyphen away, 'Night' becomes an adjective, which is why, I assume, you put it there in the first place.

I suppose you could just go with 'Night,' although that doesn't describe too much about the image other than its creation date. Just 'Time,' as a noun, would only be halfway as specific as 'Night,' and it doesn't start with N, so that's out. You could always use something like 'Now.'

As it pertains to this picture, 'Night-time' is decidedly adjectival. 'A night-time image of shopping.'

night-time
/ˈnʌɪttʌɪm/
noun
the time between evening and morning; the time of darkness.
"they asked police for extra night-time patrols"


I also advise that you address ImageMaker's post, 'Queue up the models', where 'queue' in this context is clearly a verb!

Roy Mathers wrote in post #19382811
night-time
/ˈnʌɪttʌɪm/
noun
the time between evening and morning; the time of darkness.
"they asked police for extra night-time patrols"

I also advise that you address ImageMaker's post, 'Queue up the models', where 'queue' in this context is clearly a verb!

I don't know where you found that definition, but it's wrong. Even in the example sentence they used, 'night-time' is a compound adjective describing the type of patrols.

There is no such thing as a hyphenated common noun in the English language. (Proper nouns are names and can be spelled however the owner wants.) You can spell your word as a single word or you can break it into 2 words. But it can't be hyphenated and still be a noun.

I don't have to address Queue. You already did. You always do.

drsilver wrote in post #19382844
I don't know where you found that definition, but it's wrong. Even in the example sentence they used, 'night-time' is a compound adjective describing the type of patrols.

There is no such thing as a hyphenated common noun in the English language. (Proper nouns are names and can be spelled however the owner wants.) You can spell your word as a single word or you can break it into 2 words. But it can't be hyphenated and still be a noun.

I don't have to address Queue. You already did. You always do.

The Oxford English Dictionary states that 'night-time' can be used as a noun or an adjective. Webster's Dictionary defines it as a noun. You will forgive me, therefore, if I prefer their expertise to yours.

Roy Mathers wrote in post #19382918
The Oxford English Dictionary states that 'night-time' can be used as a noun or an adjective. Webster's Dictionary defines it as a noun. You will forgive me, therefore, if I prefer their expertise to yours.

This is fun. I get to get out my dictionaries.

I don't have a Webster's, but my American Heritage spells it as one word (which surprised me - there's your post word.)

My copy of the OED does have night-time, but only as a subordinate entry to night. It doesn't mention anything about nouns or adjectives, only usage citations from the 17th century.

Starting a couple of pages into the definition of night, we're introduced to a variety of words subordinate to night. Night owl, night light, night air. I suppose you could hyphenate all of those and use them as nouns. Please don't.

With that, the OED goes back in its blue-case on the book-shelf, and the magnifying-glass in its little-drawer.

There is no such thing as a hyphenated common noun.

Used alone Night-time is clearly a noun
https://www.collinsdic​tionary.com/dictionary​/english/night-time

and a debate here
https://strategiesforp​arents.com …ht-time-which-is-correct/

Imagemaker's photo can be labeled Quartet.

Reflection

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InPhoto wrote in post #19383232
Used alone Night-time is clearly a noun
https://www.collinsdic​tionary.com/dictionary​/english/night-time

and a debate here
https://strategiesforp​arents.com …ht-time-which-is-correct/

Imagemaker's photo can be labeled Quartet.

Thank you for that InPhoto - it's very interesting. I think the reason for the difference of opinion between drsilver and me is that drsilver is overlooking the fact that, in American English, it is not the habit to hyphenate these words whereas, in British English, it is. This results, for example, in the American 'coworker' which to us, seems odd.

As for drsilver's dogmatic assertation that 'There is no such thing as a hyphenated common noun.', that is clearly wrong. One has only got to think of by-product, stretcher-bearer and self-defence to realise that.

Thanks again for the interesting links.

You are welcome, Roy!

I don't want to start another discussion but I must say that in many other languages it is easier to recognize nouns, adjectives and verbs as they generally have different forms.

Roy Mathers wrote in post #19383259
Thank you for that InPhoto - it's very interesting. I think the reason for the difference of opinion between drsilver and me is that drsilver is overlooking the fact that, in American English, it is not the habit to hyphenate these words whereas, in British English, it is. This results, for example, in the American 'coworker' which to us, seems odd.

As for drsilver's dogmatic assertation that 'There is no such thing as a hyphenated common noun.', that is clearly wrong. One has only got to think of by-product, stretcher-bearer and self-defence to realise that.

Thanks again for the interesting links.

No. "Byproduct" is one word. "Stretcher bearer" is two words. "Self-defense" is always a compound adjective. But those are good examples of common incorrectly-used hyphens.

There are no hyphenated common nouns. It's as close to a constant as you'll get in the written English language. Follow that rule and you'll never be wrong. Probably a good thing to know in a strictly-policed, noun-based thread.

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Roy Mathers wrote in post #19383259
... for example, in the American 'coworker' which to us, seems odd.
...

Just to note that in Canada, orking cows is generally discouraged, too.

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drsilver wrote in post #19383385
No. "Byproduct" is one word. "Stretcher bearer" is two words. "Self-defense" is always a compound adjective. But those are good examples of common incorrectly-used hyphens.

There are no hyphenated common nouns. It's as close to a constant as you'll get in the written English language. Follow that rule and you'll never be wrong. Probably a good thing to know in a strictly-policed, noun-based thread.

As you are so entrenched in your views in spite of how many people tell you otherwise, or how much evidence is presented, I suggest that we bring this discussion to a close, as there is little point continuing it.