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Aug 31, 2012 23:25 |  #16

Man, this is the funniest post I've seen in a long time. It's even funnier after drinking a few beers!

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Sep 01, 2012 00:28 as a reply to  @ bps's post |  #17

The above picture is not a picture of the lens in the auction. Yes, the above pictured lens is a Minolta, but the one in the auction is definitely a Sigma for Canon FD mount.

Unless the OP returns, we'll never know which of the 2 he bought....


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Sep 01, 2012 00:29 |  #18

Likely a troll.

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Sep 01, 2012 00:59 |  #19

The lens in the auction is definitely Canon FD mount. Seller does not mention that or even that it's a manual focus lens in the listing. It's misleading, its easy to see why you assumed it would work, and you should be able to get a refund. I would try that, then start shopping for another lens. If you can spend a little more, you'll have far more to choose among.... there are dozens of 75-300 Canon, Tamron, Sigma, and others... in the correct EF mount, and with autofocus and aperture control on your camera (be careful though, some older Sigma and Tamron AF lenses won't work right on newer Canon bodies... a Canon lens would be safest). Some Buy It Now for a little over $100. Probably not the greatest lenses, but certainly better than trying to make an old FD mount lens work.

If you are willing to manually focus and manually control the aperture, look for an older Nikon, Olympus OM, Pentax K, or one of the other mounts that's more easily adapted for use on EOS cameras than FD lenses. Of course, you'll have the cost of the adapter, too, on top of the cost of the lens. And, it's not easy focusing a telephoto lens manually on a modern DSLR with it's smaller viewfinder. So you might be better off buying a newer autofocus lens, even if it's a little more money.

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Sep 01, 2012 02:26 |  #20

Approach the seller - I can only guess you just bid on it and it has not shipped yet (though not sure where you got the posted image from - not on e-bay listing). Seller states -

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I would simply state that it is not as described and will not work with your Canon Camera. Be diplomatic and seller may be reasonable.


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Sep 01, 2012 09:35 |  #21

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The lens in the auction is definitely Canon FD mount. Seller does not mention that or even that it's a manual focus lens in the listing. It's misleading, its easy to see why you assumed it would work, and you should be able to get a refund.

Why is that misleading? It is for a Canon camera, that is all the seller is stating as fact, and it is correct. It is up to the buyer to be sure that the item he/she is bidding on is correct for their individual needs. Most of the time, sellers don't even know that there is an FD, EF, FL, or R mount available for Canon cameras, and as long as they describe it to the best of their abilities, and provide enough pictures to potential buyers to make an educated buying decision, how can it be misleading. It is the buyer's responsibility to make sure what they are bidding on is what they need. It's like going to a garage sale, and there is a lens, you ask the lady what camera it's for and she says it was her dead husband's, and he had a Canon. That's all she knows. Is she misleading? Sale should stand, and buyer learns a lesson.

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Approach the seller - I can only guess you just bid on it and it has not shipped yet (though not sure where you got the posted image from - not on e-bay listing). Seller states - I would simply state that it is not as described and will not work with your Canon Camera. Be diplomatic and seller may be reasonable.

As I said above, it is as described, and it is always up to the buyer to make sure what they are bidding on will work for them. The seller has no idea what camera you (or any buyer has), and is not specifying anything other then that it is for a Canon camera.

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Sorry, but as a member of ebay since 1999, this kind of rubs me the wrong way. The BUYER SCREWED HIMSELF, it's not the seller's fault the buyer chose not to research before making his purchase. If you are not sure if it is for you, don't bid on it until you can make that determination. If you do bid, and then realize it isn't the right one for you, you shouldn't go crying back to the seller, and making it his fault.

I just had a similar situation on ebay. Take a look at this auction, http://www.ebay.com …enses&hash=item​1e711e0bbf (external link) and tell me if the buyer should be able to back out because he didn't know it wouldn't work on his 7D. I ended up not getting paid on it, and had to relist it. If the buyer had paid, should I have given his money back because he is clueless?

End of rant...


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Sep 01, 2012 10:57 |  #22

For whatever reason, the OP used a photo in the opening of this thread which was NOT the photo of the lens for which he bid :confused:

Looking at the eBay ad, it does seem that the lens in question is indeed a Canon 'breechlock' lens, and does appear to be the 'new FD (bayonet)', and not the older Canon FL breechlock or Canon R breechlock.


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Sep 01, 2012 11:30 as a reply to  @ KirkS518's post |  #23

To the OP, sorry everything looks as stated. There are more than enough pictures to figure out what it is. Yes, it would have been nice for the seller to post that it was for FD and not EF mount, but it is possible they don't even know the difference. (There are people that buy groups of things and resell.) I'd side with the seller. Sorry, you need to be more careful when buying from Ebay.

To KirkS518 - sorry but your add (at http://www.ebay.com/it​m/SIGMA-CANON-...item1e711e0bbf (external link)) is misleading at one place - in "Item Specifics." The part about "Camera Technology" says digital, film. While with an adapter this may be partially true (and you do state in another part that for digital it would need the FD-to-EF adapter), but the lens was not made for digital technology. For that matter nor was it even made for AF technology. Other than that your add is spot on.

The "Camera Technology" should have had film only. An adapter does not make it digital technology, it just allows it to work on the digital (or any EOS) body.

You did not state straight out that this lens was made for non-AFing film cameras (Which you 100% knew). That is something that should have been straight out stated (if one is being totally above board). You even implied that this works on your digital camera. Only briefly at the end mentioning that it needs the adapter (sorry that is not enough).

That said, you wrote your add knowing there was a chance someone would bid who wouldn't understand what was going on between lens types. Other than the aforementioned, you wrote an add with no true falsehoods/misinformat​ion and even included essential pictures. But you left out information (that you understood) that you knew might stop some uneducated buyers from bidding if they understood. This could be misinterpreted and be considered misleading.

You for sure knew enough about your lens to say it was originally made for non-autofocusing film cameras and chose to purposefully not state this. (This may or may not be true of the seller to the OP - but we don't know this for sure).

I agree with you when you then state that it is the buyer should know what they are buying. I subscribe to caveat emptor. But I also think a completely honest seller should list all pertinent information that they know of.

I guess maybe I have too high of personal integrity, as with that lens I (in some way) definitely would have made the statement that the lens was made before AF Film cameras and way before digital cameras were around. But this way I don't have to try and put the blame elsewhere and I can feel good that I was as upfront as I possibly can be (as I also subscribe to "do unto others as you would have them do unto you").

End of rant....


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Sep 01, 2012 12:33 |  #24

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I see "MD" near the lens mount...Minolta MD mount - the seller must have no idea what they are selling!!!

If the seller will not reverse the transaction, I would complain to eBay that the seller MISREPRESENTED the product he was selling.

There is virtually a 100% chance you can get your money back because the lens was misrepresented.

I had a friend that was forced to return the money on some concert tickets because the photo showed four tickets, the description clearly stated two tickets in multiple locations. Only two of the four tickets had been sold in a previous listing but the photo was not changed in the second listing. The buyer had several thousand feedbacks and did not bother to read any of the description. Ebay gives the buyer a tremendous advantage in any dispute.

Contact the seller first and then use the official Ebay method to dispute the sale if the seller refuses to cooperate.


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Sep 01, 2012 12:50 |  #25

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So I am screwed so bad I don't think he will refund since he said no returns in the selling description. DAmn that were all the mone I had and now I need to go back to my country ( I am not from USA) and I just spend my money ...

thank you guys sorryfor causing trouble

So turn around and sell it to someone else. You'll get at least some of your money back, though probably not all.


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Sep 01, 2012 13:37 |  #26

jimewall wrote in post #14934957 (external link)
To KirkS518 - sorry but your add (at http://www.ebay.com/it​m/SIGMA-CANON-...item1e711e0bbf (external link)) is misleading at one place - in "Item Specifics." The part about "Camera Technology" says digital, film. While with an adapter this may be partially true (and you do state in another part that for digital it would need the FD-to-EF adapter), but the lens was not made for digital technology. For that matter nor was it even made for AF technology. Other than that your add is spot on.

The "Camera Technology" should have had film only. An adapter does not make it digital technology, it just allows it to work on the digital (or any EOS) body.

You did not state straight out that this lens was made for non-AFing film cameras (Which you 100% knew). That is something that should have been straight out stated (if one is being totally above board). You even implied that this works on your digital camera. Only briefly at the end mentioning that it needs the adapter (sorry that is not enough).

That said, you wrote your add knowing there was a chance someone would bid who wouldn't understand what was going on between lens types. Other than the aforementioned, you wrote an add with no true falsehoods/misinformat​ion and even included essential pictures. But you left out information (that you understood) that you knew might stop some uneducated buyers from bidding if they understood. This could be misinterpreted and be considered misleading.

You for sure knew enough about your lens to say it was originally made for non-autofocusing film cameras and chose to purposefully not state this. (This may or may not be true of the seller to the OP - but we don't know this for sure).

I agree with you when you then state that it is the buyer should know what they are buying. I subscribe to caveat emptor. But I also think a completely honest seller should list all pertinent information that they know of.

I guess maybe I have too high of personal integrity, as with that lens I (in some way) definitely would have made the statement that the lens was made before AF Film cameras and way before digital cameras were around. But this way I don't have to try and put the blame elsewhere and I can feel good that I was as upfront as I possibly can be (as I also subscribe to "do unto others as you w

End of rant....

Didn't even notice that. Corrected in the relisted auction. Thanks for pointing it out.


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Sep 01, 2012 14:25 |  #27

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Didn't even notice that. Corrected in the relisted auction. Thanks for pointing it out.

No problem!

What about a statement such as "This lens was originally made for pre-autofocus non-digital cameras? It only works with Canon AF and digital SLR models with a NOT included "FD to EOS/EF" adapter as an all manual lens. Then explain this is how you used it until upgrading to the Sigma 150mm.

If that is in there plus you made the change to the "Camera Technology" section you theoretically are golden. Unfortunately even though there is no misinformation, it seems that in the event of a complaint that Ebay usually sides with the buyer and not the seller.


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Sep 01, 2012 17:06 |  #28

I got refund :) sorry for the problems if I caused any. Its funny because I am new to this things and I wantto learn fast.

What lens should I buy ( I got the canon 18-55mm)

I want lens that can help me capture bee or make good portrait ( at least decent one) .

I plan to buy used lens in good contidition possibly Sigma with CAnon mount. Is it good 70-300 mm ?


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Sep 01, 2012 17:15 |  #29

stick to your 18-55 and when you master that lens then buy something else.


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Sep 01, 2012 17:21 |  #30

N.O.R.E. wrote in post #14935873 (external link)
stick to your 18-55 and when you master that lens then buy something else.

The thing is that when I go back to my country the 18-55 is like 300 euros or more ... I got to buy while I am in the united states


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