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Sep 11, 2012 16:50 |  #31

thanks dude
I will
that helps

I love the #4 photo

great job

thats the kind of stuff I want


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Sep 11, 2012 22:21 |  #32

AZAlphaDog wrote in post #14976837 (external link)
With the ISO set that high, can you even get these passed in MaxPreps? or are you not submitting them to MaxPreps and therefore don't care?

Yes, MP will accept HSS shots but proper exposure, lack of motion blur and ghosting, and of course perfect focus are still critical. No red eye and no plasticky NR... a tiny touch of NR in LR4 helps. I still limit myself to ISO 3200 on the 1D3 and 6400 on the 5D3.

Of course YMMV and your photo editor will make it very clear if your lighting technique isn't sufficient.

My early attempts with standard Canon HSS (back with a 1D2) weren't cutting it. 1D4 and 5D3 have no problem with ISO 3200. HSS helps color and fills shadows.

PW flex/mini hypersync really makes a significant improvement over standard HSS. And multiple flashes give me the extra range needed to reach as far as my teles can sufficiently fill the frame. Plus they allow me to shoot 3 consecutive shots. I usually lower the frame rate to 3fps and I have no problem taking 3 consecutive flashed shots in a second.

I love your xsync flashed shots, so I wouldn't recommend abandoning your technique. I can tell you're dancing as close to ambient as you can (at the risk of ghosting), but it works well. But my keeper rate and final output at xsync was dismal (and mentally exhausting) compared to what I end up with from multi-speedlite hypersync.


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Sep 11, 2012 22:46 |  #33

thanks Clarence
your the best


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Sep 12, 2012 01:31 |  #34

clarence wrote in post #14979508 (external link)
Yes, MP will accept HSS shots but proper exposure, lack of motion blur and ghosting, and of course perfect focus are still critical. No red eye and no plasticky NR... a tiny touch of NR in LR4 helps. I still limit myself to ISO 3200 on the 1D3 and 6400 on the 5D3.

Of course YMMV and your photo editor will make it very clear if your lighting technique isn't sufficient.

My early attempts with standard Canon HSS (back with a 1D2) weren't cutting it. 1D4 and 5D3 have no problem with ISO 3200. HSS helps color and fills shadows.

PW flex/mini hypersync really makes a significant improvement over standard HSS. And multiple flashes give me the extra range needed to reach as far as my teles can sufficiently fill the frame. Plus they allow me to shoot 3 consecutive shots. I usually lower the frame rate to 3fps and I have no problem taking 3 consecutive flashed shots in a second.

I love your xsync flashed shots, so I wouldn't recommend abandoning your technique. I can tell you're dancing as close to ambient as you can (at the risk of ghosting), but it works well. But my keeper rate and final output at xsync was dismal (and mentally exhausting) compared to what I end up with from multi-speedlite hypersync.

I don't even push my ISO as high a 3200 for the ambient stuff I shoot, so the thought of having to shoot that high of an ISO AND having to use (3) 580EX II flashes and the associated flash triggers to make the entire system work with high-speed sync has me a bit baffled. If it works for you, more power to you. I tried high-speed sync on a few of my very early games and just couldn't get the flash power to make it work (which I'm guessing is the reason you are using 3 flashes).

I also experimented with manual flash as opposed to using ETTL II and couldn't seem to adjust to making that work so I just stick with ETTL II and a single flash with a cord and don't have the expense of pocket wizards.

I still don't really like the "look" of flashed football (although some of the stuff Danny has posted in the past looked really good, but no matter how hard I try, I can't figure out how to duplicate the "look" he gets) So I just go with no stress and try to have fun, if I get good shots I'll submit them but I don't get all worked up if I have an "off" night or game and don't get enough good stuff to submit anything at all.


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Sep 12, 2012 20:51 |  #35

Anytime you can see shadows on the turf from the stadium lights you are mixing a bit too much ambient for a shutter sync speed of 1/250 or 1/200. HSS is the way to go using this technique. When I shoot flashed ftbl I am usually at ISO 500, 1/250, f2.8, and ETTL on the 580EXII.
Clarance should give some thought to a better beamer instead of 3 flashes.


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Sep 12, 2012 21:09 |  #36

ChunkyDA wrote in post #14983566 (external link)
Clarance should give some thought to a better beamer instead of 3 flashes.

I've got a better beamer and I've used it for football. And I've used it at xsync and with HSS. Definitely helps with reach, but not with 3 consecutive shots. And you still get the black cave background and an obvious hard flash effect on the center subject.


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Sep 17, 2012 20:18 |  #37

Very nice shots, Number 2 is awesome


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