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Oct 22, 2012 21:26 |  #331

great shots Pat!
who says you need to get that 7D....your shots are looking great with the 40D!

btw, I found a 5D Mark II plus 24mm-105mm f/4 L lens plus Pixma Pro9000 printer bundle for $2199!!, the 5D II body only goes for $1700-1799 and the 24-105L goes for $989 new and printer goes for $350 so if you just sold the 24-105L new unopened box for $900 and the printer the same for $200 that means you can get the 5D II for $1100.....unreal. There is a mail in rebate plus instant rebate to get that price (you pay $2599 before $400 mail in rebate). The bundle from B&H (so is high quality and legit) also includes a Lowepro shoulder camera bag and a remote control for the camera.... and 50 sheets of glossy photo paper ... :) The offer expires December 31st.

if you are worried you can't shell out that sum and wait for the rebate and selling the lens/printer remember you can trade in your 40D (or keep as second camera) and trade in the 70-300mm that you never use. B&H will buy them and apply to your purchase price. Go to BHphotovideo.com and click on "Used" in top menu, then will see link for trade ins, click that and enter the information and condition and they give you estimate of what they will give you. They also have great "bill me later" and 6 month payoff plans for very reasonable fee (they are by far the best I have ever dealt with, true pro's). Their "Bill me later" is No interest No payment for six months if paid in full by end of the six months. New customers get $20 off for using it :)

Edit: I looked up what they would give you for your gripped 40D and it is only about $300 so may not be worth giving it up for that little bit. Also, they will give you $165 for the 70-300 lens, total of $465. They WILL negotiate!
so if shell out $2599, mail in $400 rebate = $2199, sell 24-105L for $900 = $1299, sell printer for $299 (list price $438, special on now for $338) = $1,000 then apply the $465 (canon 40D plus 70-300) = $535 total to upgrade your 40D to 5D Mark II and keep the Lowepro camera bag, camera remote and glossy photo paper to boot :)
what do you think?


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Oct 22, 2012 21:31 |  #332

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Our Pop Warner fields are better lit than the HS here! But they have a beautiful track and a state-of-the-art turf field! :rolleyes:

Brad, I checked into the 12,800 ISO setting on m T3i like you were using the other day. I am impressed, especially after NR in LR. Few questions for you...

Do you have camera "NR for high ISO" turned on and what strength? (standard, strong, etc)
Do you have camera NR turned on for "long exposures"
what picture style are you using? (camera standard, portrait, landscape, Adobe standard, etc) the reason I ask is that each one has in-camera image sharpening applied and was wondering what setting (1 through 7) yours was on.

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Oct 22, 2012 21:33 |  #333

is a 5dII that much better than a 7D?

prob a dumb question

thanks so much

I can go 1100
I got a new 7D for 1050

maybe I can figure out how to get a 5DMII for 1100?

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Oct 22, 2012 21:46 |  #334

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Brad, I checked into the 12,800 ISO setting on m T3i like you were using the other day. I am impressed, especially after NR in LR. Few questions for you...

Do you have camera "NR for high ISO" turned on and what strength? (standard, strong, etc)
Do you have camera NR turned on for "long exposures"
what picture style are you using? (camera standard, portrait, landscape, Adobe standard, etc) the reason I ask is that each one has in-camera image sharpening applied and was wondering what setting (1 through 7) yours was on.

thanks

William

-Strong
-No
-Usually Auto or Faithful, no change from default for sharpening

Hope this helps!


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Oct 22, 2012 21:52 |  #335

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is a 5dII that much better than a 7D?

prob a dumb question

thanks so much

I can go 1100
I got a new 7D for 1050

maybe I can figure out how to get a 5DMII for 1100?

thanks dude
love your work

I'm no expert, but I think the consensus in a thread I was reading was that the 7D is the better choice for sports over the 5D MkII. From the 7D I believe the recommendation was to step up to a 5D MkIII or go to a 1D of some generation due to the sensor size. There's a thread her in POTN somewhere in the sports dept. I believe...


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Oct 22, 2012 21:58 |  #336

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is a 5dII that much better than a 7D?

prob a dumb question

thanks so much

I can go 1100
I got a new 7D for 1050

maybe I can figure out how to get a 5DMII for 1100?

thanks dude
love your work


Pat, go back and re-read my post above, I edited it to show how you can get the upgrade from your 40D to 5D II for about $550.
The 5D II is a SUPERB camera, just gorgeous images and great high ISO capabilities up to 25,600 (and might can do expansion to 51,200 ISO). Its is by far a better camera for most uses, the 7D does have a few things that it does in regards to sports photography that makes up for some of the difference. But would still go for 5D II any day. Maybe some of the Pro's on here will chime in with their opinions.

There is also the chance that a similar deal with the 7D + 24-105L + printer is available, I will check that out for you.


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Oct 22, 2012 22:14 |  #337

thanks
all I really need is a body and a grip
I do like the pop up flash for head shots
so I dont have a big flash to lug around


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Oct 22, 2012 22:14 |  #338

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Pat, go back and re-read my post above, I edited it to show how you can get the upgrade from your 40D to 5D II for about $550.
The 5D II is a SUPERB camera, just gorgeous images and great high ISO capabilities up to 25,600 (and might can do expansion to 51,200 ISO). Its is by far a better camera for most uses, the 7D does have a few things that it does in regards to sports photography that makes up for some of the difference. But would still go for 5D II any day. Maybe some of the Pro's on here will chime in with their opinions.

There is also the chance that a similar deal with the 7D + 24-105L + printer is available, I will check that out for you.

Wow, screamin' deal for a MkII...hmmm.

I've been trying to get my buddy to sell me his 7D because HE could really work some magic with an upgrade to a new body (the guy is a phenomenal photog), but he is resisting me. :rolleyes:


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Oct 22, 2012 22:22 |  #339

The 5D2 is a great camera with beautiful IQ and nice at high ISO.

Unfortunately, its AI Servo is miserable with anything moving faster than walking speed. AF acquisition and tracking is marginal at center point and terrible at outer points. Low FPS, lack of sufficient cross-type focus points, low xsync, FF lack of reach, and lack of durability in outside weather could also be considered significant liabilities for sports shooters.


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Oct 22, 2012 22:39 |  #340

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Wow, screamin' deal for a MkII...hmmm.

I've been trying to get my buddy to sell me his 7D because HE could really work some magic with an upgrade to a new body (the guy is a phenomenal photog), but he is resisting me. :rolleyes:

forward this link to him, get him to upgrade to 5D II and sell you his 7D :) If he is a portrait, wedding, still photographer then it should be a no-brainer, but if sports shooter there is the question of AF issues and fps (8 for 7D, 3.9 for 5D II)

thanks for the info on the T3i, will let you know how my experiments work out....


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Oct 22, 2012 22:45 |  #341

Clarence says 7D
is the full frame a better trade off for fps?

I dont spray and pray much

maybe I should more often lol


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Oct 22, 2012 22:48 |  #342

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The 5D2 is a great camera with beautiful IQ and nice at high ISO.

Unfortunately, its AI Servo is miserable with anything moving faster than walking speed. AF acquisition and tracking is marginal at center point and terrible at outer points. Low FPS, lack of sufficient cross-type focus points, low xsync, FF lack of reach, and lack of durability in outside weather could also be considered significant liabilities for sports shooters.

thanks Clarence! was hoping a Pro would chime in. Since you have owned 7D, 5D, and so many others including 1D's then I would take your word as gospel. I knew there was a significant difference in AF capabilities but since I mostly shoot beautiful women who aren't moving too fast that isn't much of a problem, but would be for Pat (burnett44). The lower fps I was also aware of but I have shot 5D with shutter just held down and it doesn't seem to choke on even RAW images but I guess with fast action sports double the fps is significant. There is the Full Frame factor, so would not have the extra reach of a crop body, true. Pat also wants on camera flash built in and 5D's don't have built in flash. The weather durability point you bring up is surprising to me, how big a deal is that? is the 5D II less build quality than usual 5D series, or is 7D just meant for outdoor abuse, etc.

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Oct 22, 2012 22:53 |  #343

Im all ears on this
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Oct 22, 2012 22:58 |  #344

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Clarence says 7D
is the full frame a better trade off for fps?

I dont spray and pray much

maybe I should more often lol

for making people look great (portraits, weddings, glamour) Full Frame is the way to go.
I am not sure that the fps issue is that big a deal for the way you shoot, but Clarence knows sports far far better than me, I would imagine that if shooting for magazine, newspaper, or networks then 8 fps is worth it (and the 1Dx is like 12 fps, the Sony Alpha 99 is 12 fps too) when failing to get the shot is NOT an option.

The autofocus issue is probably the biggest drawback to using the 5D II for sports, I guess you should just go with the 7D for $1050 as planned.... OR do the above plan I suggested, get the 5D II for $550 net cost to you, sell it for $1699, make $1149 profit off it and therefore get your 7D paid for so that it is "free"........... :) :)


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Oct 22, 2012 23:12 |  #345

great idea
now If I can figure out how to do that


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