Canon brand of choice

You're right it IS Mackinaw City.. i had some cerebral flatulence ...

We rode Shepler's from Mackinaw City and all year they've been going under the bridge on the way TO the island...

Ltdave wrote in post #14951137
You're right it IS Mackinaw City.. i had some cerebral flatulence ...

We rode Shepler's from Mackinaw City and all year they've been going under the bridge on the way TO the island...

We took Shepler's from Mackinaw City the weekend before last, and they did NOT go under the bridge in either direction. In fact, I never recall them going under the bridge on any of our trips over the years -- and we always take Shepler's. Bummer.

FYI, we have never taken the ferry from St. Ignace.

RTPVid wrote in post #14950574
Compare the high ISO performance of the 450D to the 650D.

You may not value video, but the market does, hence the improvements in the 650D sensor aimed primarily at video.

Most beginners do not even know what DR is or why they should care about it.

And just because most beginners don't know what DR is or what they should care about it. Is justification for not make improvements?

This times are not the 2000's when they where leading the market with quality and making improvements, I' have a degree in BA, I learned that when a company is doing this is because they have are already built a name and plenty of loyal customers, and that name will sell everything and keep the company on a comfort zone. Sometimes I think that Canon thinks they are the only ones on the game, and they don't need to invest on tech. So sad but true..


Sure the 450D is behind the new 650D but compare the ISO/DR Performance of a D3000 vs D3100, and now D3200 ? those are real improvements, compare the Pentax K10D vs the Pentax K-5,K-30... Those are improvements.. I havent seen anything like this on Canon, sure, now we have video with excellent quality.. but what else ?? Talking about sensor / processor, See what I mean..

Scott M wrote in post #14951070
I think the green box mode is quite popular. I have been handed dSLRs cameras many times by strangers to take group photos, and they are usually on the green box -- including a young lady with a 7D and "L" lens at Fairy Falls in Yellowstone. I have seen people shooting wolves at a few hundred yards in Yellowstone, or shooting Niagara Falls at night, with their built-in flash popping up.

We have good friends that live in Raleigh, NC. A few years ago one of them bought a Rebel and wanted to take photos of her daughter doing indoor dance. I noticed she was in auto mode when she handed me the camera. I suggested a photography book to learn how to use the camera to accomplish her goal. A few years later she handed me the camera again, and it was still in auto mode. I laughed and commented "never read the book, huh?"

Some people just are not interested in investing the time in learning photography. There is nothing wrong with that. Everyone has different priorities.

I totally agree !! They are a lot of people that are not interested on learning photography but see it this way at the same time those people IMO are hurting the tech advance. If all those rebels owner demands better sensors. Canon will be certainly again on the top, like it was at past years where Canon had better high ISO than Nikon. But now the game has changed and Nikon is on top.

LowriderS10 wrote in post #14949059
I'll bet every one of them (Rebels with kit lenses) could have been easily replaced by a decent point and shoot and have made equally great (and in some cases BETTER) memories for their owners.

I have not used a P&S in years. Have manufacturers solved the shutter delay problem? It seems that was always an issue, and based on comments I have heard from folks recently, it still is. Maybe I have heard from people using older cameras. I know missing photos due to the delay between pressing the shutter button and the picture being taken was a big reason my daughter looked to a DSLR.

CyberManiaK wrote in post #14951686
And just because most beginners don't know what DR is or what they should care about it. Is justification for not make improvements?

Yes, if you are marketing at beginners. Video is more important. May not be sad, but it is true.

CyberManiaK wrote in post #14951686
This times are not the 2000's when they where leading the market with quality and making improvements, I' have a degree in BA, I learned that when a company is doing this is because they have are already built a name and plenty of loyal customers, and that name will sell everything and keep the company on a comfort zone. Sometimes I think that Canon thinks they are the only ones on the game, and they don't need to invest on tech. So sad but true..

So, fresh from your BA degree, you are ready to set Canon on the straight and narrow? Send them your resume right away! What is "sad but true" here is that "sometimes" you apparently think Canon has lost their way. The only thing that is actually true, though, is that this remains to be seen.

CyberManiaK wrote in post #14951686
Sure the 450D is behind the new 650D but compare the ISO/DR Performance of a D3000 vs D3100, and now D3200 ? those are real improvements, compare the Pentax K10D vs the Pentax K-5,K-30... Those are improvements.. I havent seen anything like this on Canon, sure, now we have video with excellent quality.. but what else ?? Talking about sensor / processor, See what I mean..

What do comparisons with Nikon, etc., have to do with your original statement,

This is simply not correct. They may not be making the improvements YOU want, but they are making improvements targeting what the beginning DSLR user wants.

Some aspects of Nikon's beginner DSLRs are better, some are not. But, your blanket statements are the typical web board broad brush "the sky is falling" hyperbole.

LowriderS10 wrote in post #14949059
I'll bet every one of them (Rebels with kit lenses) could have been easily replaced by a decent point and shoot and have made equally great (and in some cases BETTER) memories for their owners.

QFT--our dept @ work just upgraded to a rebel XS--and most of the non tech people took better pictures with the decade old Sony P&S

dave kadolph wrote in post #14951864
QFT--our dept @ work just upgraded to a rebel XS--and most of the non tech people took better pictures with the decade old Sony P&S

OK, but the XS was the "step back" model used to lower the entry level 4 years ago v. the then current XSi, and some reviewers considered it a "reheated" XTi from 6 years ago.

But, what about the P&S results in better pictures by these non tech people?

RTPVid wrote in post #14951765
Yes, if you are marketing at beginners. Video is more important. May not be sad, but it is true.

Ohh so you mean what they really care are beginners ?? maybe I haven't seen that way.. !! But ok..So the game is, I target beginners, most of them will be always beginners. If they really grow who cares, they probably will be heavy invested on our system that they will not run out.. good strategy. I'm not saying this is true ok?

RTPVid wrote in post #14951765
So, fresh from your BA degree, you are ready to set Canon on the straight and narrow? Send them your resume right away! What is "sad but true" here is that "sometimes" you apparently think Canon has lost their way. The only thing that is actually true, though, is that this remains to be seen.

I'm not on the job market but thanks for the suggestion. Eventually you will see it, if they don't do something to improve the sensors. Or you disagree that Canon sensors are behind the competition ?

RTPVid wrote in post #14951765
What do comparisons with Nikon, etc., have to do with your original statement, This is simply not correct. They may not be making the improvements YOU want, but they are making improvements targeting what the beginning DSLR user wants.

It's not the improvements I want, are the improvements the competition IS doing.

RTPVid wrote in post #14951765
Some aspects of Nikon's beginner DSLRs are better, some are not. But, your blanket statements are the typical web board broad brush "the sky is falling" hyperbole.

Well at least you can see that some Nikon's entry levels are better !! I guess you are not the typical fanboy after all ! Kudoz !

CyberManiaK wrote in post #14951972
Ohh so you mean what they really care are beginners ?? maybe I haven't seen that way.. !! But ok..So the game is, I target beginners, most of them will be always beginners. If they really grow who cares, they probably will be heavy invested on our system that they will not run out.. good strategy. I'm not saying this is true ok?


I'm not on the job market but thanks for the suggestion. Eventually you will see it, if they don't do something to improve the sensors. Or you disagree that Canon sensors are behind the competition ?



It's not the improvements I want, are the improvements the competition IS doing.

Well at least you can see that some Nikon's entry levels are better !! I guess you are not the typical fanboy after all ! Kudoz !

None of this clap trap is worth responding to.

RTPVid wrote in post #14951909
OK, but the XS was the "step back" model used to lower the entry level 4 years ago v. the then current XSi, and some reviewers considered it a "reheated" XTi from 6 years ago.

But, what about the P&S results in better pictures by these non tech people?

That pop up flash-when the "green box" decides to use it the shadows in our closeups make the pic unusable.

How do you turn the screen on the back on--that little box they make you look through is always blurry.

Anything really close is out of focus

RAW?--JPEG?--size?--AF point?--ISO?

OK... I understand

I just upgraded from the T2i to the T4i and I am very impressed with the improvements. The AF is SO much better. The flip screen is great for tripod shots and it is the first DSLR to have a touch screen. At first I thought the touchscreen was a gimmick, but it actually works well and I like it. I wouldn't say they are sitting on their popularity pumping out the same crap, they are adding improvements (maybe not the ones you want) and I am guessing they will continue to do so.

I also have a BA degree and some companies know how to continue to make quality products even if they are the industry leader. Nike, Lego, Apple are just a few companies that come to mind. Yes, some companies sellout, but that doesn't mean Canon has. My T4i is my second Canon DSLR and I love it, and I don't shoot on the green box!!

Oh yea, the 5fps with a 7D sounding shutter is pretty sweet too