Canon 60D manual mode (M)

When shooting in manual mode the image when properly exposed and shot look fairly sharp; sharp enough to avoid sharpening in PS. Shouldn't all of the photos that come out in RAW format need some kind of sharpening? Seems like when I sharpen any way it shows a little noise or tiny spots out of the colors. I know that is a bad way of explaining but thats how I see it after sharpening. Am I missing something?

It sounds like you're oversharpening. At 100% you can usually push the sharpening until you just start to see the sharpening artifacts appear. A good way to eyeball it is to hold the alt key (assuming you're using Lr) while adjusting the sharpening settings. This will give you either a B&W image or a mask to view the difference the slider is making. I like to turn the sharpening to 0, run my NR and then set the sharpening. It usually requires some masking (the bottom sharpening slider).

In manual mode it I understand no sharpening is applied until edit.

mdaddyrabbit wrote in post #14985544
In manual mode it I understand no sharpening is applied until edit.

Manual mode has nothing to do with sharpening. Picture styles / profiles do, but they only apply to JPEGs processed in-camera.

http://web.canon.jp …urestyle/style/​index.html

As I said before if I shoot a photo in manual mode and giving it is exposed properly should it not need some sharpening?

As was replied above, it doesn't matter if you shoot in manual mode, P mode or whatever. If you expose the same, the image will look the same.
Then if you want to apply sharpening or not, that's up to you. Most images benefit from it, but as also stated above, it's easy to overdo it.

apersson850 wrote in post #14985576
As was replied above, it doesn't matter if you shoot in manual mode, P mode or whatever. If you expose the same, the image will look the same.
Then if you want to apply sharpening or not, that's up to you. Most images benefit from it, but as also stated above, it's easy to overdo it.

I cannot see a different in sharpening until it goes too far?

mdaddyrabbit wrote in post #14985567
As I said before if I shoot a photo in manual mode and giving it is exposed properly should it not need some sharpening?

Manual mode has absolutely nothing to do with sharpness. I would say that even properly exposed doesn't affect sharpness. Are you looking at the LCD screen for sharpness or in computer software? What software are you using?

I use Lightroom and default sharpening starts off at +25. Do you have a default so it already appears sharp before you do anything?

I use Lightroom and Photoshop CS5

I use my 60D almost exclusively in Manual mode and in raw, and almost never have to do any sharpening in my post-processing.

Yes, you can see the difference before you sharpen too much. But you should also realize that proper sharpening depends upon what you want to do with the image. The "correct" setting is usually different for display viewing vs. printing. Sometimes what looks ugly on the screen is fine when printed.

The camera always has a default sharpening. Even if you use RAW, that default sharpening is what you see on the preview jpeg, which is displayed if you look at the image in the camera. You can set it to zero, but that doesn't mean "no sharpening", just "as little as possible". Different cameras interpret the same setting differently. Traditionally, Canon have done it so that the entry level cameras (650 D) sharpening setting of 0 (least) is about equivalent to a 1D-series being set at 7 (most). Intermediate cameras are in between.

This is because people buying the cheapest cameras usually want a brilliant image out of camera, but those buying the top class cameras are often more interested in having a soft image to start with, so they can apply whatever sharpening they like. But softening an already sharpened image is much more difficult.

drum&bassist wrote in post #14985697
I use my 60D almost exclusively in Manual mode and in raw, and almost never have to do any sharpening in my post-processing.

I am not explaining my self right. I too hardly ever have to sharpen in post processing. Thats what I trying to ask, why do I not have to sharpen when shooting in Manual?

Nobody "has" to. But most "want" to. Which picture style are you using? Which sharpening setting do you have in the picture style? DPP has done it for years, and I've understood that more and more non-Canon software reads and uses the camera's shooting settings as a base point for their RAW conversion. Perhaps you are sharpening automatically, without knowing it?

Still, it doesn't relate to you shooting in manual or not.

Your not listening. Manual program. AV TV etc... box none of those modes affect your in camera sharpening.

Your camera styles may but not your shooting mode. Have you recently changed your cameras default style or created a custom image style? Those could affect sharpening but your mode dial will not.

A RAW file has no white balance, no contrast, no brightness, no color settings and no sharpening... It's simply the data captured from the camera sensor.

A RAW file has to be 'developed' before it can be viewed on a computer monitor.

The white balance, contrast, sharpness etc that have been set in the camera's menu screen are attached to the RAW file, but they are not applied to the RAW file.

Since you can't view a RAW file directly, these settings must be applied when you open the RAW file for viewing or for editing in a program like DPP. . If the sharpness is satisfactory when you open the file, then that's because the sharpness was set that way in the camera or applied after the fact by your editing software and not simply because it's a RAW file.