DONT DO IT !!!!

pwm2 wrote in post #14987698
And I made a post that it isn't automagically illegal to record audio/video and then play for a group of people. So the final conclusion in that quote is not true.

I'm not disputing that.

Well no, I'm not. I'm saying that copying cassettes falls within the gamut of "recording songs onto cassettes". I'm not saying that's the only thing he was saying, I'm saying that recording a song could come from any source, whether a radio transmission, or another cassette, or an LP, CD, or whatever.

I'm not really sure how we're crossing lines here, because we're kinda saying the same thing.

:/

I was referring to copying an album/record/LP/45 onto a cassette... or copying a store-bought cassette onto a blank. Let's face it, TDK, Sony, Maxell, Memorex..et al. put out millions.. probably billions of blank cassettes...with this intended usage.

onona wrote in post #14987830
I'm not disputing that.

Well no, I'm not. I'm saying that copying cassettes falls within the gamut of "recording songs onto cassettes". I'm not saying that's the only thing he was saying, I'm saying that recording a song could come from any source, whether a radio transmission, or another cassette, or an LP, CD, or whatever.

So why try to kick in open doors and fight an issue that isn't contended?

Except that you did say "I think you don't really understand what fair use allows for."

And that statement can't be deduced from my post.

Recording a song may be illegal. But it may also be legal. So just because someone have recorded a song, that person can't be called a thief.

Playing that song to a group of people can be illegal. But it may also be legal. So just because someone plays a song they have recorded to a group of people, that person can't be called a thief.

A case must be much better defined before it can be figured out when fair use is applicable or not. The post I quoted went the wild-card route, claiming recording or playback to be unconditionally illegal.

If you're referring to my original post.. i said no such thing. I was replying to a post, speaking of stealing. I didn't mention legalities.

1Tanker wrote in post #14987894
I was referring to copying an album/record/LP/45 onto a cassette... or copying a store-bought cassette onto a blank. Let's face it, TDK, Sony, Maxell, Memorex..et al. put out millions.. probably billions of blank cassettes...with this intended usage.

And I am sure these days Wal-mart sells 100 pack of DVD-R's for legitimate reasons... I admit I grab screeners and song before I actually go out and waste my hard earned bucks on some of the junk the entertainment industry puts out today. If it is good then its worth purchasing the high quality version.

The simple fact is that piracy is never going away. The industry has to adapt by presenting something not obtainable through common sharing. For bands those are concerts and other stuff, for movies its the theater experience, for photogs its the large size prints (unless you have high res images online of course).

In third world countries piracy and knock-offs are norm. It's nice to see that what us privileged folks see as evil, poor people see as a way to experience the world. True story, had it not been for DVD piracy I would in fact be dead.

Nature Nut wrote in post #14988076
True story, had it not been for DVD piracy I would in fact be dead.

Quite a statement there. Would you mind sharing the story with us?

benji25 wrote in post #14987361
However, I find it funny that they compare it to stealing from a store when the max fine for that is probably tiny

Well, no, they can send you to jail for shoplifting, and in many US states, if you shoplift over as little as $50, that's a felony that can put you in prison for over a year.

Copyright infringement is not a felony or even a misdemeanor, it's a civil offense.

frugivore wrote in post #14988084
Quite a statement there. Would you mind sharing the story with us?

Long story short, Rambo and a few of the the other American icons (Arnold, MJ, Madonna etc..) were big in Iraq 2003. So anyhow on a routine combat patrol, a truck pulls over and the occupants shoot an RPG from inside the cab. Well anyone with training knows about the joys of backblast (rocket propellant exhaust). So before the rocket exited the cab and armed the backblast hit the tank and blew up the truck, rocket, and occupants. If you happen to have seen Rambo (a VERY popular movie in Iraq) then during the helicopter chase he crashes and uses an RPG from inside the chopper cabin to take down the enemy chopper.

Kind of a funny story in retrospect.

Andrushka wrote in post #14987359
Why not arrange a trade - promo photos for using a local musician's song? My brother in law and I have this arrangement going - my shots are on the front page of his sight, his song is on mine... fortunately for me - his stuff is amazing!

Is that your brother in law's song on your website? I like it.

Nature Nut wrote in post #14988114
Long story short, Rambo and a few of the the other American icons (Arnold, MJ, Madonna etc..) were big in Iraq 2003. So anyhow on a routine combat patrol, a truck pulls over and the occupants shoot an RPG from inside the cab. Well anyone with training knows about the joys of backblast (rocket propellant exhaust). So before the rocket exited the cab and armed the backblast hit the tank and blew up the truck, rocket, and occupants. If you happen to have seen Rambo (a VERY popular movie in Iraq) then during the helicopter chase he crashes and uses an RPG from inside the chopper cabin to take down the enemy chopper.

Kind of a funny story in retrospect.

I would say it was the enemy's lack of training that saved your life...they may or may not have been consciously copying a movie--that''s your own supposition--but they were definitely not trained.

pwm2 wrote in post #14987920
Except that you did say "I think you don't really understand what fair use allows for."

Christ, I don't understand where the confusion is coming in here. I don't want to come across as condescending here, but I'm going to have to list this to get it across:

- You quoted a post which included a bit about recording to cassettes, in addition to a bit about broadcasting music at private events.

- Your response following suggested that the post you were replying to fell within the gamut of fair use. While the broadcasting at events parts does, the cassette part doesn't.

- So I said that I don't think you understand what fair use allows for, because it most certainly does not cover copying music onto cassettes in almost all circumstances.

- If you'd only intended to remark on the playing of music at private events, you should not have included the bit about cassettes in the quoted part of the post.

Does that make sense now?

thonee27 wrote in post #14988126
Is that your brother in law's song on your website? I like it.

Yeah it is! He is one of the most legit humans, let alone musicians, that I have ever met...

http://www.willderrybe​rry.net - I shot the banner pic in his home recording studio

watt100 wrote in post #14987216
at least I can sing Happy Birthday on my birthday without paying royalties

oh wait... I can't

This world is so sad. All money hungry !@#$%@#$%^ should be instantly removed.

To sue someone $1.9 million for illegal downloads is criminal. Someone just wants to retire early on a nice bonus.

AbPho wrote in post #14988269
This world is so sad. All money hungry !@#$%@#$%^ should be instantly removed.

To sue someone $1.9 million for illegal downloads is criminal. Someone just wants to retire early on a nice bonus.

You didn't read the articles. She was not sued for 1.9 million. That is what a jury awarded the legal copyright holders.

onona wrote in post #14988152
Christ, I don't understand where the confusion is coming in here. I don't want to come across as condescending here, but I'm going to have to list this to get it across:

- You quoted a post which included a bit about recording to cassettes, in addition to a bit about broadcasting music at private events.

Correct. And recording to cassettes can often be done legally as fair use.
And playing that cassette at a private event is normally also legally fair use.
But I don't like your word "broadcasting" there - not a word normally used for playing something at a private event. Broadcasting would imply non-private playback.

That is very much depending on how/when/where that recording is made. Fair usage does include recording from radio/TV for later consumption. Even so much so that US professors have been debating the legality of the copyrights on some video disks as blocking the user from making a copy for playing on vacation, in cabin etc.

And this sentence shows you wrong. Recording from the radio for private use (and a group of friends represents private use) is legal in most countries.

No - I did not only intend to remark about playing of music at a private event, since the recording of the music is also in many situations legal as long as the goal with the recording is for private use.

No it doesn't since you have decided to narrow down fair use more than the legislation intended with the laws.

Consider articles like the following to realize the issues involved.
http://www.npr.org …ory.php?storyId​=123684026
http://www.ehow.com …-onto-cassette-tape_.html