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Sep 14, 2012 07:23 |  #1

How much do I want one of these? (external link)

So much that I originally posted in the equipment forum rather than the video forum, but such is life.

I was pretty much set on getting a Blackmagic but this would have given my big issues in supplying media to my main client - they don't even like footage taken with Cinemastyle can you image how much RAW would freak them out?

This, at first glance, looks perfect as a replacement for my 60D. I wonder how much it will be?

And for ultimate equipment porn there is also theC500 (external link)


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Sep 14, 2012 10:51 |  #2

A 60D to a C100 is a huge jump. IMO, Canon did a fairly good job with making the C300 a competent camera for professionals but totally blew pricing. The C300 or C100 are totally out of reach for normal consumers. These cinema lines are not for the same market as people with 5D's and the new 5D just isn't much different. You might be this market, but since you have a 60D I don't know really.

The C100, price wise, might compare to Sony's FS700. However that one is still less 10,000, does 240 FPS at 1080p and can handle 4K which makes it future proof. Again, this is still quite professional...

Then you get towards the 5D price range. This is what indie filmmakers have been waiting for. We are what some people call "the march to full frame." I think the next generation of "accessible" film cameras will belong to Blackmagic, perhaps Nikon with their D600 (cheapest full frame ever) and Sony's VG900 . Even the Sony's new full frame and Panasonic GH3 will show some competition. Canon's 5d Mark III will continue to sell but we now have options now.

Canon has one thing that's not easy to copy. It's their look that is sort of filmic, as opposed to Sony's digital look. And Magic Lantern, and the picture styles. It's almost like the iTunes platform of the camera world in that everyone supports it which makes it a much better product in the end. Then with everyone invested in Canon glass..they really got us. Maybe that's why they don't care. I don't know. I've used Canon cameras only but I am thinking about switching these days..


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Sep 14, 2012 11:12 |  #3

No prices available yet but their sales blurb would seem to indicate it will be well under the price of the C300 (which is just plain expensive despite the spec).

I think Blackmagic has put the cat amongst the pigeons and, unless Canon is going to price the C100 reasonably accessibly it wont compete. I would think £5K top whack but would admit to being a little optimistic.

I was considering a 5D Mk III but, despite a jump forward, Canon hasn't made it user friendly enough for video - particularly compared to the 60D with ML.


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Sep 14, 2012 11:32 |  #4

Old news now man! LINK (external link)

But yea, with the way Canon prices things these days itll be way over priced and not worth it. Have to wait for them to drop the price a bit. That 5D3 will be coming down in price fast and soon. Nikon's gonna have them on the run with that D600 thatll be $1900 in no time.


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Sep 14, 2012 12:02 |  #5

ben_r_ wrote in post #14990677 (external link)
Old news now man! LINK (external link)

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Perhaps so, but I only got it from CPN Europe today - you could have posted previously you selfish devil ;).

Pricing, at first glance, looks around where I was hoping (based on the linked article) but seldom does the suggested USD price compare to a direct comparison of the exchange rates. :cry:

I'm not sure that the 5D is going to come down much subject to what happens with the rumored 70D. I'm hoping this may be more video orientated.

While I love the look of the DSLR footage over that of a "conventional" video camera I do suffer some client perception when turning up with a DSLR. The DSLR package none the less works well with the type of shooting I tend to get involved with - although continuous focus (if it worked) would be a big advantage.


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Sep 14, 2012 12:17 |  #6

I also have my eye on this one, Initial price looks to be around $6499 USD. B&H has a pre-order page up for it at: http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …n_EOS_C100_EF_C​inema.html (external link) $6499 is high enough to really make me question what I'll get over my 5D3...

But I wouldn't call it a conventional video camera. This is a cinema camera. It does have one-shot AF and other focusing aids like peaking and magnification while recording, but not continuous autofocus (which is something more for the ENG segment - cinema people want control not continuous AF)

I hear you on the client perception thing... It's always interesting, the reaction you get sometimes when you show up and start setting up. Based on your portfolio, they seem to expect you to walk in with something that looks like an old HVX2000, and get confused when you pull out a still camera.


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Sep 14, 2012 13:05 |  #7

John Sims wrote in post #14990831 (external link)
Perhaps so, but I only got it from CPN Europe today - you could have posted previously you selfish devil ;).

Pricing, at first glance, looks around where I was hoping (based on the linked article) but seldom does the suggested USD price compare to a direct comparison of the exchange rates. :cry:

I'm not sure that the 5D is going to come down much subject to what happens with the rumored 70D. I'm hoping this may be more video orientated.

While I love the look of the DSLR footage over that of a "conventional" video camera I do suffer some client perception when turning up with a DSLR. The DSLR package none the less works well with the type of shooting I tend to get involved with - although continuous focus (if it worked) would be a big advantage.

Agreed all around.


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Sep 16, 2012 02:37 |  #8

bpaulette wrote in post #14990894 (external link)
I hear you on the client perception thing... It's always interesting, the reaction you get sometimes when you show up and start setting up. Based on your portfolio, they seem to expect you to walk in with something that looks like an old HVX2000, and get confused when you pull out a still camera.

haha, this happens at almost every high profile shoot I am hired for. I've got a broken gl2 laying around somewhere, I've always been tempted to bring it along so I can stop getting questions/doubts that my dslr can shoot video.

I don't remember where I read it, or maybe I'm just imaging it, but I thought I saw an article stating the c100 cost was over 10 grand. I'm glad the link provided shows a pre-order cost of 6.5k.

according to the specs, there will be a firmware update later on that will allow for continuos AF with STM lenses.

for a camera with AF, xlr inputs, built in nd filters, push auto iris, and a professional looking form factor, the extra 3000 may be worth it for some shooters as opposed to the 5dmk3.




  
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Sep 16, 2012 09:51 |  #9

How does the C100 compare to the Sony FS100?


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Sep 16, 2012 10:28 |  #10

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How does the C100 compare to the Sony FS100?

No idea, I've never even touched the C100. lol. but according to specs, obviously the sony beats out the C100.

The one thing I'm curious about is the frame rates the C100 will shoot at. It's only mentioned in the link that it's capable of 24fps. If it's able to shoot different frame rates, including a 720p120, for my purposes, it would be infinitely better than the fs100.




  
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Sep 16, 2012 11:57 |  #11

That's 24 Mbs not 24 fps. IIRC it will do 24, 25, 50 and 60 fps at 1920.

With regard to how it compares to the Sony this would be offset (in my case) due to lens stock. Having invested £thousands in glass I'm not about to change on the strength of one body. What one system does the other will in 6 months either way.


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Sep 16, 2012 23:57 |  #12

John Sims wrote in post #14998758 (external link)
That's 24 Mbs not 24 fps. IIRC it will do 24, 25, 50 and 60 fps at 1920.

haha, my eyes don't work.. or maybe my brain. :P




  
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No idea, I've never even touched the C100. lol. but according to specs, obviously the sony beats out the C100.

The one thing I'm curious about is the frame rates the C100 will shoot at. It's only mentioned in the link that it's capable of 24fps. If it's able to shoot different frame rates, including a 720p120, for my purposes, it would be infinitely better than the fs100.

Yea sorry, specs is what I meant. And from the spec lists Ive briefly looked at, this body seems like all the other Canon video bodies, ridiculously over priced, not tried and true and offering the same or less than its competitors. Seems to be the way Canon is driving their products across the board these days. From the 5D3 vs the D800 to their recent point shoots and video cameras. $8000 for the C100 is silly. MAYBE $4999, but def no more IMO.


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Sep 17, 2012 16:18 |  #14

Only time will tell. Those I have spoken to who have used the C300 have been very happy with it.


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Sep 18, 2012 09:54 |  #15

I am in the market for a new camera, I placed my order for the FS700, I opt out of getting the Steadicam Zephyr, the zephyr would have been finding it time in the closet vs working. While researching I ran into FS700 a few months ago. The last month, I keep going back and forth the justification for the FS700 as it going to cost me $8000, the purpose, why do I need it, why not C100, why not another 5Dmark3, why not just get a use FS100 blah blah blah. I think it all come down to the review I watched, the slo mo and future 4K, best of all alpha lens phase detection auto focus, make my job easier when i'm using the stabalizer pulling focus.




  
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