Canon eos 6d offically announced

HyperYagami wrote in post #15003782
People complain about 1) lack of joystick, 2) touchscreen and 3) SD card as "worse" (but honestly not to me). What are the others?

6D has 1/4000 max shutter speed and 1/180 sec max flash sync, 5D2 is better in both areas.

6D build quality is also not as good as 5D2, being more plasticky.

6D has 97% viewfinder coverage, 5D2 has 98%.

Considering all of these things, the 6D is not even better than the 5D2 in some important areas. Compared to the D600 (which costs exactly the same), the 6D stands no chance.

And let's not forget that the D600 will be shipping to those who preordered soon, whereas the 6D is not going to be available for some amount of time.

You mean " Compared to the D600 (which costs exactly the same), the 6D stands no chance."

996gt2 wrote in post #15003800
6D has 1/4000 max shutter speed and 1/180 sec max flash sync, 5D2 is better in both areas.

6D build quality is also not as good as 5D2, being more plasticky.

6D has 97% viewfinder coverage, 5D2 has 98%.

Considering all of these things, the 6D is not even better than the 5D2 in some important areas. Compared to the D600 (which costs exactly the same), the D600 stands no chance.

And let's not forget that the D600 will be shipping to those who preordered soon, whereas the 6D is not going to be available for some amount of time.

thallikar wrote in post #15003819
You mean " Compared to the D600 (which costs exactly the same), the 6D stands no chance."

My bad, corrected.

HyperYagami wrote in post #15003782
People complain about 1) lack of joystick, 2) touchscreen and 3) SD card as "worse" (but honestly not to me). What are the others?

4) slightly smaller viewfinder
5) 1/4000 max shutter speed
6) 1/180 max flash sync

Flores wrote in post #15003791
guess it depends on how the software uses them. for all we know at this point, the AF system on the 6D uses 'hints' from the surrounding points in order to better guess at when the image is in focus? maybe it cheats that way, and cross types would mess up the fuzzy logic involved.

Fuzzy logic produces fuzzy images.

I put these specs in another thread, but I thought it would be useful to have them here as well so that you guys can objectively compare the two. Remember, the prices are the same ($2099).

All of these specs are taken from Nikon/Canon's sites. CanonRumors has some false information on the 6D right now on their site.

D600:
-24 MP Sony Sensor
-39 Point AF with 9 cross points (in a 3x3 grid in the center)
-Built in flash with wireless flash commander
-5.5 FPS
-1/4000 sec max shutter speed, 1/200 sec max flash sync
-Dual SD card slots
-100% viewfinder coverage, compatibility with DX lenses
-Optional wifi/GPS


6D:
-20MP sensor
-11 Point AF with 1 cross point (the center one)
-No built in flash
-4.5 FPS
-1/4000 sec max shutter speec, 1/180 sec max flash sync
-Single SD card slot
-97% viewfinder coverage, not compatible with EF-S lenses
-Built in Wifi/GPS

This camera is good for video shooter that needs FF and not wanting the 5D2...

What if Canon tweaked the surrounding AF to a point that they are really good - like those in 1DS2 and such even though they are not cross point? I remember those no cross points on the 1Ds2 were really good. Cross point is not the answer to all AF issues

We'll have to wait and see...

Billginthekeys wrote in post #15003164
I don't believe your Tamron 17-50mm will work. Although you can sell it and get the Tamron 24-70 2.8 VC and you are back in business.

Oh crap! are you sure about that??

That is a deal breaker for me. I can't swing another $1,200 for a new lens as well.
Oh well back to looking at the D7 OR 5D2

I'm confused with this SD slot thing. Haven't all of the "good" DSLRs been using Compact Flash cards for several years now?
Isn't switching back to SD cards a step backwards?

sonnyc wrote in post #15003846
This camera is good for video shooter that needs FF and not wanting the 5D2...

What if Canon tweaked the surrounding AF to a point that they are really good - like those in 1DS2 and such even though they are not cross point? I remember those no cross points on the 1Ds2 were really good. Cross point is not the answer to all AF issues

We'll have to wait and see...

Cross point by definition is sensitive to both horizontal and vertical contrast, whereas a standard AF point (like 10 out of the 11 points on the 6D) is only sensitive to contrast in one direction. It would be quite hard to make a standard AF point better than a cross point.

AOXOMOXOA wrote in post #15003851
Oh crap! are you sure about that??

That is a deal breaker for me. I can't swing another $1,200 for a new lens as well.
Oh well back to looking at the D7 OR 5D2

I have tried the Tamron 17-50 on my 5D back when I had canon, it will mount and shoot fine.

However, the image circle is too small so you will have to manually crop your pictures to use just the center portion.

This is one area in which Nikon does better than Canon. Not only can their full frame DSLRs also use their APS-C lenses, but the camera will automatically detect a DX lens and only use the center portion of the sensor. The viewfinder will also change to reflect the smaller portion of the sensor being used. On a D600, for example, you can mount a 17-50 and you could use the D600 like a 10.5 megapixel APS-C camera.

Tom Reichner wrote in post #15003852
I'm confused with this SD slot thing. Haven't all of the "good" DSLRs been using Compact Flash cards for several years now?
Isn't switching back to SD cards a step backwards?

All Nikon and Canon "Consumer" cameras now use SD cards. It makes perfect sense that you would use an SD card for an entry level FF camera that is targeted at those same users.

AOXOMOXOA wrote in post #15003851
Oh crap! are you sure about that??

That is a deal breaker for me. I can't swing another $1,200 for a new lens as well.
Oh well back to looking at the D7 OR 5D2

It will fit but it will vignette like crazy. Your lens was built for an APS-C sensor, NOT full-frame!

Well, I lost all my camera gear a month ago in a flood. Will be getting my insurace these week. Since I am now on scrach I have began considering Nikon. On looking on the 6D vs D600 i am now more and more looking at Nikon. Did not like the specs on the 6D, would rather buy a 5D II. Will go and look at the D600 tomorrow, one of the dealers have one in there store.

Billginthekeys wrote in post #15003164
I don't believe your Tamron 17-50mm will work. Although you can sell it and get the Tamron 24-70 2.8 VC and you are back in business.

AOXOMOXOA wrote in post #15003851
Oh crap! are you sure about that??

That is a deal breaker for me. I can't swing another $1,200 for a new lens as well.
Oh well back to looking at the D7 OR 5D2

Your 17-50 won't work on a 5D2.

(or a D7)