Canon eos 6d offically announced

KenjiS wrote in post #15008132
Its not that the camera is really all that bad, its that the spec sheet just doesnt "sell" instantly the way the D600 does... Same thing happened to the 60D, Which was vindicated after it came out when people actually used one and realized that its actually a pretty damn good little camera

60D wasn't selling good at all until Canon dropped the price. same thing would happen to 6D, Canon needs to discount it.

jonneymendoza wrote in post #15008231
where r u from? because over here in the uk the 5d3 and 6d are priced nearly the same. we can get a 5d3 for 2k now and the 6d is around 1.8k.

You cant invest in a L lens with the 200 saved lol

I'd love to know where you can get a 5DIII for £2,000. Please send me a link so i can buy one now. Everything I've seen has been £2,450 and up, which makes a price difference of £650 or more to the 6D.

Yes

KenjiS wrote in post #15008250
Yeah WTF is Canon thinking over there, I cant see buying the 6D when for 200 quid more I can have the 5D Mark III, Thats kind of a no **** deal and I'm pretty sure noone here would argue with me that if the 6D was say $3000 in the US they'd buy the 5D Mark III....

But in the US the price difference is $1400, I guarantee you a 6D with a 35L or a 50L is going to get better pictures than a 5D Mark III and a 50 f/1.8

That said Nikon is doing the same thing... so its not a Canon issue exclusively...

Actually the 50L is crap at focusing, worse then a nifty fifty

Also why are u limiting yourself to buying from the states? there is other counties outside of the US u know! check prices everywhere! check in hong kong or even here in the UK and it may actually be cheaper.


Like i said before why limit yourselfs to buying in your contry of residence?
im from uk and i got my 5d3 from digitelrev Hong kong saving nearly 1k mate. free delivery and took 3 days max from day of order.

Owain Glyndwr wrote in post #15008265
I'd love to know where you can get a 5DIII for £2,000. Please send me a link so i can buy one now. Everything I've seen has been £2,450 and up, which makes a price difference of £650 or more to the 6D.

i have mentioned it loads of times. check digitelRev

GMCPhotographics wrote in post #15007885
You claim to know a bit about product design and manufacturing processes. But without Canon's internal stats and costs it's impossible to make any serious comment on Canon's cost and manufacturing processes. I think it is questionable when someone on the outside of their company makes quite directed, uninformed and unfounded critisism. I'm glad it's not you who are designing my cameras...
Chip design and manufacturing is not made cheaper by replication and mass production. There's cost in the design, but the etching is done by a machine at the press of a button and the real cost is the silicon wafer...and that's a set price.

What's that saying about people in glass houses? Chip design and manufacturing are made cheaper by replication and mass production. You spread the cost of design of the chip, design of the devices required to manufacture the chip, etc. over more chips, thereby enabling yourself to charge less per chip if you so choose. If design costs $1000 and you only make 1 chip then that 1 chip has to bear the brunt of $1000 worth of design cost. And if it cost $1000 to tool up the factory to product them then that's another $1000 added to the cost of that 1 chip. But if you sell 1 million chips... you get the idea surely. It's not rocket science, folks.

Oh, that again If only we all had as much faith in the goodness of man as some of us do in the competence of companies the world would be a better place! Lots of huge, multinational companies have folded over the years with even more seemingly insurmountable footholds in a particular industry because of mistakes. As photographers Kodak should immediately come to mind. I'm not at all saying that Canon are making the colossal mistakes Kodak did, but this blind faith in corporations is really quite silly. We can and should question the direction that companies are taking instead of taking them at their word and believing that they have it all figured out.

Owain Glyndwr wrote in post #15008265
I'd love to know where you can get a 5DIII for £2,000. Please send me a link so i can buy one now. Everything I've seen has been £2,450 and up, which makes a price difference of £650 or more to the 6D.

This.

jonneymendoza wrote in post #15008271
i have mentioned it loads of times. check digitelRev

Only if you're willing to get an import from a Hong Kong based company...

Pit wrote in post #15008248
Sure the people who have ef-s lenses can easily jump ship, but does canon really care about losing a customer that has a rebel and a kit lens? (they sell those at high value and they will continue to sell more to tourists who want an slr). Both companies want to attract buyers that will eventually start shelling out cash for premium glass. Besides 10-22, 18-55 2.8 and maybe few others there arent that many high value EF-s lenses out there. And the crop users that already have EF lenses will see this as a natural step.

Yes the nikon does look better on paper, but we all want to see these side by side in a shootout. I think it has more than enough features to justify the $2100 price tag, lets just wait to see how it performs as that is really what matters.

All customers are important, Mistreat the people at the low end and they wont stick with you when they're ready to dump serious money...

Example enough, I was a Nikon shooter when I started out, when I got serious I came to Canon because, At the time, Canon offered what I wanted, I felt I really had to replace almost all my Nikon glass because of the wonky compatibility issues I was going to have getting a new camera, so Canon's extensive selection of affordable very good lenses coupled with USM drives and the fact they had IS in more lenses than Nikon was very appealing to me, Lenses like the 100-400 and 70-200 f/4L made my mouth water and were lenses Nikon did not, and still do not, have a real answer for...Not to mention the 17-40L and 24-105L, and no matter how nice the F100 was, My EOS 3 was better in every way shape and form.....God I miss that thing....

What sold me on the switch? The EOS 20D, I had used a D70 in addition to my film gear and when I played with the 20D I just saw a massive gulf between Canon and Nikon's capabilities.. the D70 wasnt a terrible camera, but the 20D was something else... I felt Canon was going to meet my needs in the future far better, and sure enough, when I finally switched over to digital guess what I bought myself? an EOS 30D, the 20D's more refined big brother...

The point is, Nikon at the time was NOT being a competitive company so they lost me when it came time for me to get serious, it took years before they got back into the fight with the D300, a camera I fully admit to lusting over and wanting (Until I layed eyes on the 7D which was everything I wanted from a D300 except jacked up to 11..I frequently cite the three reasons I still shoot Canon as the 7D, 15-85 and 100L, Which were all announced on the same day 3 years ago..Funny aint it? )

jonneymendoza wrote in post #15008271
i have mentioned it loads of times. check digitelRev

you are comparing a price for the 5D III from an importer from Hong Kong with the RRP for the 6D. Fail.

jonneymendoza wrote in post #15008231
where r u from? because over here in the uk the 5d3 and 6d are priced nearly the same. we can get a 5d3 for 2k now and the 6d is around 1.8k.

You cant invest in a L lens with the 200 saved lol

In Australia, the 5D Mark III is $3800, 5D Mark II $2400, the 6D $2200, and the D600 is at $2600. Making the 6D the cheapest full frame on the market.
The 7D is $1700 and the 60D $1100.

(one US dollar is worth 96 Australian cents)

Good! 1780$ here in japan on kakaku.com (it's 2000$ on amazon.jp). Not too bad really. Should be around 1600$ on christmas! (I dont count the change rate. 100yen is 1$ for me. it's the reality here)

Current prices in the UK for new cameras are:

5d3 - £2450
6d - £1800
5d2 - £1500
7d - £1050
60d - £640

(taken from www.camerapricebuster.​com)

chrismarriott66 wrote in post #15008293
Only if you're willing to get an import from a Hong Kong based company...

Whats wrong with that, provided its a company with a proven track record, as applies to any form of ordering online no matter the locale?

jonneymendoza wrote in post #15008269
Also why are u limiting yourself to buying from the states? there is other counties outside of the US u know! check prices everywhere! check in hong kong or even here in the UK and it may actually be cheaper.

UK and US are quite different in terms of pricing for camera gear. HK is always going to be a better deal than UK, if you don't count import tax, and even then it can still be cheaper. US however, is around the same price as HK, and in some cases, even cheaper. It used to be the case maybe 10 years ago when HK was much better priced than elsewhere, but no longer; unfortunately for those of us who actually live there.

brianodom wrote in post #15008154
This is why I will buy one. I have used the 5D III several times for weddings and I did not use all of those focus points (bells and whistles)...maybe only a few at best. I just find it odd that people weren't going crazy over just 9 auto-focus points on the old 5D II...and it was considered the holy grail for DSLR owners.

You must not have been looking hard enough A lot of us were nonplussed by the 5DII's AF not providing significant (any?) improvement over the 5D. What's funny is that it seemed that the chorus of complaints about the 5DII AF got really loud right before, during, and shortly after the 5DIII unveiling. Maybe people didn't know what they were missing until they got something different? Who knows. All I can offer is that anecdotally I kept the 5D and skipped the 5DII because of the AF not improving, and I know I'm not the only one to express frustration over the 5DII AF.

It's also not primarily about the number of AF points but the quality of said points. 9 high quality cross-type AF points on the 5DII would have kept a lot of complaints at bay, as would 11 high quality cross-type AF points on the 6D. I don't need a bazillion AF points--even the 51, 61, whatever of today's high end AF systems is too many for me--but I do need a good number of cross-type points spread across the frame. 9 would do me perfectly if spread out well enough around the frame.

Great! I'm glad some people are happy with the product. Seriously I am. I'm obsessed over the AF because to me that's a fundamental feature of a capable camera particularly for shooting events like weddings, but it otherwise has a lot to offer and I'm glad that some are seeing it that way. On the other hand I think it's a lost opportunity that could have been quite a bit better with improvement of a single feature.

Incidentally the sensor isn't the same as the 5DIII--different pixel count so it can't be-- but some are actually guessing it's better! But that's a big "we'll see" item. Let's just say at the very least it won't be worse. I hope.

jonneymendoza wrote in post #15008271
i have mentioned it loads of times. check digitelRev

For UK official Camara's

As an example :- Park Camara's... Highly regarded UK supplier


Canon EOS 5D MK III Body
Save: £315.99
Only £2,684.00

Canon EOS 6D Body Only
Only £1,799.99

That is a price difference of £884


Digital Revs is in Hong Kong and you will need to pay VAT/Import duty on top of their prices.... Plus NO UK CANON WARRANTY