Canon eos 6d offically announced

Another thing, One thing I must say I feel Canon needs to work on is the time it takes to go from product announcement to shipping time

Look at Nikon, Nikon is shipping the D600 this week, in fact its in stock right now at several retailers, including Amazon

Canon is saying "Couple months" on the other hand, Which means probubly December... The fact theres very few samples or anything else is also NOT helping the 6D's case for some people... Even if it ships in a couple months, Canon should be letting DPReview and them shove out images and show that "Hey, This cam wont ship for a couple months but look, This is what it can do, You want to wait for this"

What Canon needs to do is be ready, When a product is announced DPReview, Engadget and other places need to have had cams in their hands for a week or so already so they can have a selection of sample images to show off on announcement day to build up hype.. They need to let these places do their jobs, They need to let them write out how the AF system is to let customers know that "Hey, it may not look great on paper, but trust us, in practice its the bees knees"

Simply put, a Press Release and a statement it will ship in a few months is not cutting it in todays world, Why is everyone talking about the D600? Because its available, its shipping, theres quite a lot of samples up from it already and theres going to be a metric you know what of them in a day or two...

Someone today might simply go "Hmn, Gee, Look at all these D600 things, Sure looks great, Wow I can buy one now? Sold, Sorry Canon, You lost your chance"

Sirrith wrote in post #15008330
Whats wrong with that, provided its a company with a proven track record, as applies to any form of ordering online no matter the locale?

I think it comes down to personal preference... there's a lot of people who wouldn't even consider it for example. What it's not fair to do though, is compare the UK price of one camera to the HK price of another...

Sirrith wrote in post #15008330
UK and US are quite different in terms of pricing for camera gear. HK is always going to be a better deal than UK, if you don't count import tax, and even then it can still be cheaper. .

Similar for Australia... I was able to buy the 7D for just $1200 from Hong Kong, that's a $500 saving.

Sirrith wrote in post #15008330
Whats wrong with that, provided its a company with a proven track record, as applies to any form of ordering online no matter the locale?


UK and US are quite different in terms of pricing for camera gear. HK is always going to be a better deal than UK, if you don't count import tax, and even then it can still be cheaper. US however, is around the same price as HK, and in some cases, even cheaper. It used to be the case maybe 10 years ago when HK was much better priced than elsewhere, but no longer; unfortunately for those of us who actually live there.

If they are selling the 5DIII below the UK RRP then surely they will also sell the 6D at a similar discount to the UK RRP, thus maintaining the price differential?

Owain Glyndwr wrote in post #15008351
If they are selling the 5DIII below the UK RRP then surely they will also sell the 6D at a similar discount to the UK RRP, thus maintaining the price differential?

Agree, so comparing one from HK to the other from UK is totally pointless.....

Pete W wrote in post #15008359
Agree, so comparing one from HK to the other from UK is totally pointless.....

precisely.

Owain Glyndwr wrote in post #15008351
If they are selling the 5DIII below the UK RRP then surely they will also sell the 6D at a similar discount to the UK RRP, thus maintaining the price differential?

not really as the 5d2 and 7d and even the 650d are all priced similar to the uk price

Pete W wrote in post #15008339
For UK official Camara's

As an example :- Park Camara's... Highly regarded UK supplier


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That is a price difference of £884


Digital Revs is in Hong Kong and you will need to pay VAT/Import duty on top of their prices.... Plus NO UK CANON WARRANTY

no u dont pay import duty/tax. DigitelRev take care of it all and provide u with 1 year free warranty as well. o and free delivery. dont believe me? go and ask the millions of uk owners who have bought from DigitelRev.

do your homework first before making rubbish assumptions.

There is ABSOLUTELY no reason to NOT buy from places like digitelrev in this day and age. by all means if u want to get mugged by jessops spending 1k more then its your money

Can't wait to see pictures. I may be a buyer.

KenjiS wrote in post #15008132
I think the issue is that, on paper, the D600 makes a better case for many people, Add to that the fact this camera directly targets a market that may NOT have a big investment in lenses, or that may have to do some lens switching anyways to upgrade means that some people might be more interested in dumping what little gear they have and jumping over to the other side simply because the cost differential is either non existant or very small...

Add to that the fact the competition has come prepared with an affordable kit zoom (Thats pretty decent) and a freshly updated line of 28, 50 and 85mm f/1.8 primes that you can get for not a lot of cash and the 6D might have a hard time selling to some people, and unlike folks looking at the $3500 5D Mark III, the people looking at the 6D might not have 5 lenses (With at least 2 L-class lenses) they need to replace, They might have 3, and only one or two will work on the 6D anyways..

Its not that the camera is really all that bad, its that the spec sheet just doesnt "sell" instantly the way the D600 does... Same thing happened to the 60D, Which was vindicated after it came out when people actually used one and realized that its actually a pretty damn good little camera

Canon however DOES need to refresh a few primes and a cheap zoom to go with it, Like a new 50 prime, and a cheap fast 28 wouldnt be bad either, or perhaps a compact 35mm f/2 to go with this camera's role as a lightweight full frame travel camera... and I think Canon needs to give this camera a 28-80 f/3.5-4.5 IS as a kit lens for around the $2500 mark...

The d600 does not make a better case on paper. Builtin wifi is a smashing option. -3ev is a killer feature. I don't know any photographer who buys cameras on paper specs alone. I'm sure there are a few, but I'll bet their pictures aren't worth anything.

kenshap wrote in post #15008390
The d600 does not make a better case on paper. Builtin wifi is a smashing option. -3ev is a killer feature. I don't know any photographer who buys cameras on paper specs alone. I'm sure there are a few, but I'll bet their pictures aren't worth anything.

Mate, I agree with you, I LIKE the 6D, in fact I'm possibly going to buy one, I'm just trying to point out why SOME people are mad over it..

For SOME people, the fact the D600 has a 100% viewfinder, 5.5fps shooting and 39 point AF backing a 24mp sensor means it does look better compared to a 97% viewfinder, 4.5fps shooting, and an 11 point AF system backing a 20mp sensor...

But you and I know that in reality these cameras are probubly more alike than different...

One note from the D600 review that is already up, The guy noted that the focus is "slow, but deliberate and accurate" which sounds like how i described the D7000 AF, Slow and deliberate but accurate... Based on that, I am going to take a guess the 6D is going to be faster in terms of AF

jonneymendoza wrote in post #15008381
no u dont pay import duty/tax. DigitelRev take care of it all and provide u with 1 year free warranty as well. o and free delivery. dont believe me? go and ask the millions of uk owners who have bought from DigitelRev.

do your homework first before making rubbish assumptions.

There is ABSOLUTELY no reason to NOT buy from places like digitelrev in this day and age. by all means if u want to get mugged by jessops spending 1k more then its your money

they have very mixed customers reviews, certainly enough bad reviews to make me feel uncomfortable spending €2,600 with them for a 5DIII.

KenjiS wrote in post #15008344
Another thing, One thing I must say I feel Canon needs to work on is the time it takes to go from product announcement to shipping time

Look at Nikon, Nikon is shipping the D600 this week, in fact its in stock right now at several retailers, including Amazon

Canon is saying "Couple months" on the other hand, Which means probubly December... The fact theres very few samples or anything else is also NOT helping the 6D's case for some people... Even if it ships in a couple months, Canon should be letting DPReview and them shove out images and show that "Hey, This cam wont ship for a couple months but look, This is what it can do, You want to wait for this"

What Canon needs to do is be ready, When a product is announced DPReview, Engadget and other places need to have had cams in their hands for a week or so already so they can have a selection of sample images to show off on announcement day to build up hype.. They need to let these places do their jobs, They need to let them write out how the AF system is to let customers know that "Hey, it may not look great on paper, but trust us, in practice its the bees knees"

Simply put, a Press Release and a statement it will ship in a few months is not cutting it in todays world, Why is everyone talking about the D600? Because its available, its shipping, theres quite a lot of samples up from it already and theres going to be a metric you know what of them in a day or two...

Someone today might simply go "Hmn, Gee, Look at all these D600 things, Sure looks great, Wow I can buy one now? Sold, Sorry Canon, You lost your chance"

The camera business is not about buzz. While certainly it would be nice to have the camera available as soon as it is announced, look at apple and the iPhone 5. This type of thing is the norm. It's not like I'm going to go out and buy a d600 because the 6d isn't available. I'm sure some people will. But that's business.

CyberManiaK wrote in post #15005735
It can be done..Example pentax K30 is a sub 1000 usd, sure its aps-c but its weathersealed, pentaprism 100% coverage, focus peaking. I really don't understand why Canon or Nikon can't do something similar, this companys are way bigger so the productions costs are cheaper.I really hope Canon will make something like the K30 at that price point..

Why not just buy a Pentax K30 then? You want someone to make a camera at that price that carry all the best features of each company? What about the fact that Nokia can throw in a 41Mega pixels sensor on their phone, shouldn't Canon be able to put in at least 41Mega pixels + all Nikon's features + all Canon's features for $1000?

kenshap wrote in post #15008409
The camera business is not about buzz. While certainly it would be nice to have the camera available as soon as it is announced, look at apple and the iPhone 5. This type of thing is the norm. It's not like I'm going to go out and buy a d600 because the 6d isn't available. I'm sure some people will. But that's business.

Apple announced the iPhone 5 last week and is shipping it next week, it will be in peoples hands less than a month after announcement

And I'd say buzz is very important in the camera business in this day and age, Cameras are as much electronics as any smartphone, convergence between devices is rapidly becoming the norm, and to simply ignore these things is likely to end up suicidal...

You WANT your salesguys at camera stores excited for products, You WANT forums excited for it, Heck, look what the D600 did around here as proof of that, Nikon got in peoples heads and people were talking about what a great camera the D600 is based on its spec sheet, Thats good marketing, Why? People are talking about it, its in their heads, and it has them debating if they want to switch systems...

Whether you think those people are being stupid or jumping the gun doesnt matter, The fact is the marketing has worked, the buzz/hype machine has worked, Doesnt matter if they sell it in 3 months realizing its a mistake or because the 6D is shipping and everyone is going "HEY THE 6D IS THE BEST THING SINCE SLICED BREAD!" Nikon still sold you a camera, and still got your money...