Canon eos 6d offically announced

KenjiS wrote in post #15033610
Its easy to sit here and declare the D600 the victor, but lets keep in mind the 6D hasnt really fired many shots yet, Theres only 8 samples from the 6D that I've seen(And they all look very good to me...), No reviewers have gotten their hands on it, and the only forum goer who HAS gotten his hands on the 6D that I saw has had nothing but absolute -praise- for how good the 6D is...Especially the AF

This! +++
The ability to focus at -3 really blew my mind. I was thinking to try take photo at -3 ev to sort of get rough idea (correct me if my method wrong) how dark it is when the af still focus. I think 6d will be more than capable.

Also another point the vf at 95%, does it make a huge difference? I think if i really want to check that then i can see the difference but while shooting i never really get bothered with this.

ae86trueno wrote in post #15037878
This! +++


Also another point the vf at 95%, does it make a huge difference? I think if i really want to check that then i can see the difference but while shooting i never really get bothered with this.

It does if you're working with ultrawides where that 5% can lead to something distracting being in your image

Sure, you CAN just crop the image if something distracting is in the corner, but it can be a bit of a minor problem

I hate not seeing what I get. Isnt that the whole point of the viewfinder?

I agree not a 100% is annoying, but in this day and age of pp, is cropping out 3% of a photo really a deal breaker? Seriously?

Nick3434 wrote in post #15038223
I agree not a 100% is annoying, but in this day and age of pp, is cropping out 3% of a photo really a deal breaker? Seriously?

well when your pixelpeeping, every pixel matters!

KenjiS wrote in post #15037952
It does if you're working with ultrawides where that 5% can lead to something distracting being in your image

Sure, you CAN just crop the image if something distracting is in the corner, but it can be a bit of a minor problem

Ah true didnt thought about the uwa lenses. However i think it should not be a big issue until it make the photograph unuseable.

Nick3434 wrote in post #15038223
I agree not a 100% is annoying, but in this day and age of pp, is cropping out 3% of a photo really a deal breaker? Seriously?

This what i thought too, and being entry level where most potential buyer will be coming from crop, i think shouldnt be big issue.

I'd point out that 100% viewfinders being standard in a lower end camera is a really new thing, My N70 had an abysmal 92% viewfinder.... My EOS-3 was 97% and let me tell you, Yes, THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE THERE... the EOS-3 viewfinder however was great.. But I've never had a full frame 100% viewfinder so i cant really tell you if theres a huge difference in reality or not..

my 7D viewfinder is a different story as the 7D uses a very big high magnification finder so not only is the coverage greater, the thing is just bigger to begin with (If i remember correctly the 7D's pentaprism is the same one from the 1D Mark III) so theres a large difference in view between it and just about any APS-C cam out there, even the D7000 is noticably not quite as big or bright

D300 is essentially the same as the 7d but because of the lower crop factor not 100%.

Note Nikons D600 is 100%... and has a popup flash.

Yeah i gotta say if theres one feature im puzzled at its the removal of the popup flash..

That said i do know for a fact that on my 7D that IS where the sealing is weakest (The popup flash/popup flash button have VERY little sealing around them and are vulnerable to water intrustion) So perhaps its to make it more sealed..

KenjiS wrote in post #15037952
It does if you're working with ultrawides where that 5% can lead to something distracting being in your image

Sure, you CAN just crop the image if something distracting is in the corner, but it can be a bit of a minor problem

But I thought the point of the 6D was you connect with your iPad and use live view..

KenjiS wrote in post #15039019
Yeah i gotta say if theres one feature im puzzled at its the removal of the popup flash..

That said i do know for a fact that on my 7D that IS where the sealing is weakest (The popup flash/popup flash button have VERY little sealing around them and are vulnerable to water intrustion) So perhaps its to make it more sealed..

yea, you would think that if they are aiming for the cheaper end of the market they would include a flash. but currently no FF from canon has a pop up flash.

I would be nice to ask Canon these questions and get some decent answers, instead of the std crap about it's a design choice.

theflyingkiwi wrote in post #15039083
yea, you would think that if they are aiming for the cheaper end of the market they would include a flash. but currently no FF from canon has a pop up flash.

I would be nice to ask Canon these questions and get some decent answers, instead of the std crap about it's a design choice.

Indeed, the wireless off-shoe ability on the 7D is really nice sometimes after all..

I DO think its a sealing issue... its another thing that has to be sealed after all...

ae86trueno wrote in post #15037878
This! +++
The ability to focus at -3 really blew my mind. I was thinking to try take photo at -3 ev to sort of get rough idea (correct me if my method wrong) how dark it is when the af still focus. I think 6d will be more than capable.

Also another point the vf at 95%, does it make a huge difference? I think if i really want to check that then i can see the difference but while shooting i never really get bothered with this.

The VF of 6D according to specs is 97%

Nick3434 wrote in post #15038223
I agree not a 100% is annoying, but in this day and age of pp, is cropping out 3% of a photo really a deal breaker? Seriously?

Part of the issue is with landscape photography and use of filters. I have an XTi with 95% viewfinder, and sometimes with my UWA lens and some filters, I can get vignetting at the outer edges that will show up in the photo but not in the viewfinder, or maybe just at the very corners of viewfinder which can be easy to miss.

If you frame a subject close to the lens (say, a motorcycle for a certain perspective, or a building) you may have to crop closer than would be preferred to remove the vignetting at the potential risk of adversely affecting composition. Or you can clone out the vignetting in PP if it's not too severe.

I have generally been one of the 100% viewfinder guys, for this reason. I made it a sticking point of my next camera, along with FF. Note, however, that my XTi does not have live view.

So my question is, does live view circumvent the 97% viewfinder issue and sees exactly what the sensor sees, or does live view also show only the same coverage as the VF?

I would think if it is the former, than the VF is not as big of a deal as I may have thought it was initially due to my lack of experience with modern DSLR's.

ddk632 wrote in post #15039146
So my question is, does live view circumvent the 97% viewfinder issue and sees exactly what the sensor sees, or does live view also show only the same coverage as the VF?

yea live view is 100% view. it's a direct stream from the sensor. so depending on what your shooting the conditions your shooting in, you could use that.

But each camera isn't perfect so like each camera on the market you can learn to go around a camera's limitations.

Nick3434 wrote in post #15038223
I agree not a 100% is annoying, but in this day and age of pp, is cropping out 3% of a photo really a deal breaker? Seriously?

I prefer to buy a camera that reduces my PP work load, not adds to it. As has already been said, with ultra wide angles its easy to have distractions in the corners like branches or traffic lights.

KenjiS wrote in post #15039019
Yeah i gotta say if theres one feature im puzzled at its the removal of the popup flash..

That said i do know for a fact that on my 7D that IS where the sealing is weakest (The popup flash/popup flash button have VERY little sealing around them and are vulnerable to water intrustion) So perhaps its to make it more sealed..

Is it not the case that full frames generally have larger viewfinders? The 6D is a very small body, perhaps they did not have the room for both a flash and a decent pentaprism.