Canon eos 6d offically announced

Mornnb wrote in post #15039166
Is it not the case that full frames generally have larger viewfinders? The 6D is a very small body, perhaps they did not have the room for both a flash and a decent pentaprism.

Correct, they need bigger pentaprisms, If you then stick a flash on top you end up with a bigger "bulge" at the top..

That said, Nikon did it in the D600

It could be a case of simply using what they had laying around, the D600 could have the same pentaprism used in the D700/D800, Canon used the pentaprism/viewfinder assembly from the 5DII because it was laying around and they couldnt reuse the one from the 5DIII because of the LCD overlay stuff...

KenjiS wrote in post #15039178
That said, Nikon did it in the D600

D700 and D800....

But Canon cannot do it because...well....they never have so why start now?

Thankfully car makers did not say "we are not putting airbags in because, well, we never have before..."

Mornnb wrote in post #15039166
I prefer to buy a camera that reduces my PP work load, not adds to it.

So you do not shoot in raw i take it since your camera makes more work for you by doing so?

this would be a problem if it was a 103% because you would lose something you saw. 97% means that you have an unexpected (my rough conversion for you) 3.8 mm from left to right and 2.5mm from top to bottom on a 6x4 print. In American that is 3/16" and less than 1/8". Now take those numbers and divide them by 2 and you get the acrual gained real estate per side of the photograpgh, 3/32" on each side and 1/16" on top and bottom. It takes 3 seconds to crop that out If that enormous amount missed captures a traffic light. Really what a non 100% captures (i know very well with my current camera) is a small black line at the edge from something like a traffic light, not an actual traffic light.

Again, 100% is obviously preferable, but 97% is not a deal breaker.

theflyingkiwi wrote in post #15039154
yea live view is 100% view. it's a direct stream from the sensor. so depending on what your shooting the conditions your shooting in, you could use that.

But each camera isn't perfect so like each camera on the market you can learn to go around a camera's limitations.

Thanks for the clarification. That does make up for it, I think, as you can compose with viewfinder and then check final composition with live view.

Still better than what I have been doing, which is bring a netbook and a CF card reader, and keep checking images for sharpness, focus, and extraneous bits on the netbook screen after the fact. So I can relate to the working around a camera's limitations part of this equation!

Neilyb wrote in post #15039187
D700 and D800....

But Canon cannot do it because...well....they never have so why start now?

Thankfully car makers did not say "we are not putting airbags in because, well, we never have before..."

Canon's excuse for that is because a Full Frame camera is intended for professional use and so it must be used with a professional flash unit assuring the very best image quality. At least it was what I heard from a Canon rep.

I don't buy that for a second!
IMHO all they want is to sell more flashes and ST-E2 units. The same reason they don't put an AF illuminator built in: they want you to use a flash or ST-E2 to show some focusing aid patterns.

Anything to pick this camera apart.

9X% viewfinders have been around forever, film too. It's a common practice and reduces the errors and extreme tolerances that it takes to make a 100% viewfinder. This is a budget camera that happens to have a full frame sensor. Like Nick says above the actual extra that's captured by the sensor that you do not see in the viewfinder is in reality VERY small. This is one of the many ways Canon is using to lower costs on this body to keep it in the price range it's in.

Rarely do any of us compose that tightly that a 100% viewfinder will actually make a difference. Usually a small crop is pretty common, and to make a print, a huge crop is needed to fit standard sizes. This is a silly bi*ch, and just something else to complain about.

I am happy that the Canon 6D was released. Been waiting for an "affordable" Canon FF for awhile now.

Yeah, like some, I was bummed about certain things that were left out.

The lack of auto focus points doesnt bother me as much as others. One center cross type is fine for me.

Yeah, I wish it had a 100% viewfinder, but I can live with 97%.

I also wish it had an articulating swivel touch screen like the 650D. That would help with video and high angle shots. But then I thought that the included wifi and ability to control the 6D with my iPhone or iPad kind of makes up for that.

The lack of flash doesn't bother me either. I like fast primes anyway.

I am actually glad it uses SD cards and not CF. I also don't mind that it doesn't have 2 SD slots.

I DO wish it had a 1/8000 max shutter speed instead of 1/4000 for those shots in bright daylight wide open.

That would be AWESOME if Canon released the 6D UNDER $2,000. That would be one way they could beat the Nikon D600 buzz. Offering the Canon 6D btwn $1,500 & $1,900 would surely steal Nikon's thunder. But I don't expect this will happen. <sigh>

Regardless, I am a Canon guy, so I am not gonna jump ship to Nikon just cause the D600 has some of these features. The bottom line is that I want to shoot in FF, and I think the Canon 6D is gonna serve me well. I travel a lot and like to shoot street scenes, portraits and landscapes with a few primes (28mm f1.8, 50mm f1.8 & 80mm f 1.8). The 6D is small and light and I can't wait to get one.

regandarcy wrote in post #15040557
I am happy that the Canon 6D was released. Been waiting for an "affordable" Canon FF for awhile now.

Yeah, like some, I was bummed about certain things that were left out.

The lack of auto focus points doesnt bother me as much as others. One center cross type is fine for me.

Yeah, I wish it had a 100% viewfinder, but I can live with 97%.

I also wish it had an articulating swivel touch screen like the 650D. That would help with video and high angle shots. But then I thought that the included wifi and ability to control the 6D with my iPhone or iPad kind of makes up for that.

The lack of flash doesn't bother me either. I like fast primes anyway.

I am actually glad it uses SD cards and not CF. I also don't mind that it doesn't have 2 SD slots.

I DO wish it had a 1/8000 max shutter speed instead of 1/4000 for those shots in bright daylight wide open.

That would be AWESOME if Canon released the 6D UNDER $2,000. That would be one way they could beat the Nikon D600 buzz. Offering the Canon 6D btwn $1,500 & $1,900 would surely steal Nikon's thunder. But I don't expect this will happen. <sigh>

Regardless, I am a Canon guy, so I am not gonna jump ship to Nikon just cause the D600 has some of these features. The bottom line is that I want to shoot in FF, and I think the Canon 6D is gonna serve me well. I travel a lot and like to shoot street scenes, portraits and landscapes with a few primes (28mm f1.8, 50mm f1.8 & 80mm f 1.8). The 6D is small and light and I can't wait to get one.

+1 ... it's been growing on me and the VF was my only gripe, this will very likely be my next camera.

BTW maybe I am only one of few but I think the GPS feature is so cool. I have it on my wife's Sony P&S camera and it's nice to get the map automatically on Flickr with the embedded GPS data in EXIF.

Alex_Venom wrote in post #15040118
Canon's excuse for that is because a Full Frame camera is intended for professional use and so it must be used with a professional flash unit assuring the very best image quality. At least it was what I heard from a Canon rep.

I don't buy that for a second!
IMHO all they want is to sell more flashes and ST-E2 units. The same reason they don't put an AF illuminator built in: they want you to use a flash or ST-E2 to show some focusing aid patterns.

Actually, Canon's stance on pop up flashes on pro cameras came up in one of their focus groups...and we all said "no!" and thus there was none.
It was the other brand that started putting pop ups on pro cameras...which just add bulk and undermine weather sealing in my opinion....complete waste of space.
Pop ups are fine for point a squirt cams, but anything more serious really needs a more serious flash or use better available light.
If you need a popup flash, then get a point a squirt...or come more prepared

GMCPhotographics wrote in post #15041111
Actually, Canon's stance on pop up flashes on pro cameras came up in one of their focus groups...and we all said "no!" and thus there was none.
It was the other brand that started putting pop ups on pro cameras...which just add bulk and undermine weather sealing in my opinion....complete waste of space.
Pop ups are fine for point a squirt cams, but anything more serious really needs a more serious flash or use better available light.
If you need a popup flash, then get a point a squirt...or come more prepared

Makes perfect sense!

My 7D has a pop-up flash.
I never use it.
I'd hate to have it in the 6D and I'm glad they didn't wither under the pressure of copying the competition and add one...

GMCPhotographics wrote in post #15041111
Actually, Canon's stance on pop up flashes on pro cameras came up in one of their focus groups...and we all said "no!" and thus there was none.
It was the other brand that started putting pop ups on pro cameras...which just add bulk and undermine weather sealing in my opinion....complete waste of space.
Pop ups are fine for point a squirt cams, but anything more serious really needs a more serious flash or use better available light.
If you need a popup flash, then get a point a squirt...or come more prepared

So the 6D is a pro camera? I thought it was targeted more toward first time FF buyers.

There is also more to built-in flash than it's use as a flash. I love the built-in flash in my 7D when I use it as a wireless controller. Of course that's just strobist stuff so I guess it isn't professional.

andrikos wrote in post #15041525
My 7D has a pop-up flash.
I never use it.
I'd hate to have it in the 6D and I'm glad they didn't wither under the pressure of copying the competition and add one...

Native ISO to 25000...flash, what flash?

andrikos wrote in post #15041525
My 7D has a pop-up flash.
I never use it.
I'd hate to have it in the 6D and I'm glad they didn't wither under the pressure of copying the competition and add one...

my 40D has a pop-up flash and I only use it when I am bored and just keep flicking it open and closed a few times. it's a way to keep the hands busy while I am thinking.

Oh you mean you use the flash as a flash, not likely.

I don't know what I am going to do when I get the 6D.

andrikos wrote in post #15041525
My 7D has a pop-up flash.
I never use it.
I'd hate to have it in the 6D and I'm glad they didn't wither under the pressure of copying the competition and add one...

It's not about the flash itself. It's for controlling other flashes remotely without buying accessories.